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Roadkinglavared t1_j6kp21b wrote

Where we live, if the female twin is born first it is assumed she can breed. If she is born second, then she is a freemartin. Another way to say it is if the heifer is bigger then the twin bull calf, chances are great she can breed. If born second they are raised like the steers for beef. Our vet said that most farmers don't test their freemartins and while the numbers state 80% chance the female born second will be a freemartin, he said not enough farmers give the female a chance so the numbers are most like no 100% correct. Sometimes you can tell the heifer is a freemartin and other times it's all in inside workings that you cant see. I remember hearing one farmer who kept his freemartin for beef and she was running with the bulls and steers. She got pregnant and he kept her as a breeding cow.


gwaydms t1_j6kuk8o wrote

The one on Dr. Pol had a blind vagina, and was injured by the bull. Pol saved her life so she could be raised as a steer


chantillylace9 t1_j6l6sk8 wrote

A…a……a…..WHAT vagina?


gwaydms t1_j6l7k1z wrote

A freemartin often doesn't have internal reproductive organs. A blind passage ends without connecting to anything else, like the unfortunate bovine's vagina. That's why she was injured by the bull.


chantillylace9 t1_j6mqpl7 wrote

This is both better and worse than I had imagined. I sure hope this isn’t very common. And I’m even more glad that doesn’t happen with human twins


snogard_dragons t1_j6lybjs wrote

Doc Pol knows what’s up


gwaydms t1_j6m0knu wrote

He's 80, and still practicing AFAIK. As long as he can do the hard work, he will.


kelldricked t1_j6m38qd wrote

I always love watching that show untill he picks the gloves and shoves his entire arm into the hole of a cow, donkey or horse.

Then i suddenly regret watching it, while eating and pretend like the show doesnt exist for 3 months. Then i forget why i never watch it and the cycle repeats.


wotmate t1_j6mfbl6 wrote

You should try it sometime, it's quite warm.


Hobbs512 t1_j6ndao2 wrote

If the calf can breed, are there any additional risks such as birth defects at play?


Ok-Table-3774 t1_j6kfp9i wrote

Yea, it's called a Freemartin. This happens a lot of in cows and other ruminants but not so much human due to how the placenta forms and the blood share. I used to work in a genetics lab that offered freemartin testing to cattle breeders to confirm this. A lot of times the females look normal on the outside but when mating is attempted, it either doesn't happen (no internal vagina), or the mating isn't successful (female is infertile). Sadly most freemartin calves are euthanized.


Kooky-Cry-4088 t1_j6kqzgw wrote

Most freemartin calves are not euthanized, in fact none are nor should be unless other congenital/genetic defect exist such as PHA, cleft palate etc. They are fed and harvested as beef. No ovarian hormone production so actually feed similar to a steer. I’m specifically a bovine veterinarian in the heart of cattle country.


huntingteacher25 t1_j6md12n wrote

Agree. Had one a few years ago. She put on weight like a steer and was a fine animal.


RichardSaunders t1_j6mgigz wrote

for deer as a species, there's the word deer, regardless of whether it's a buck or a doe. is there an equivalent term for a single bos taurus? my great uncle called them "bossies" (bah-sees), but i reckon he just made that up based on the latin.


Ok-Table-3774 t1_j6ogp1g wrote

That good to hear! We were told otherwise at the UC Davis Veterinary Genetics Lab when I worked there. It made me pretty sad.


_ManMadeGod_ t1_j6mr03h wrote

"harvested for beef" is a weird way of saying "fattened up so we can tear flesh from bone"

Jesus Christ these creatures are sentient.


Raichu7 t1_j6li5gt wrote

If you’re raising dairy cattle rather than beef what good is a cow who can’t get pregnant? I doubt all freemartin calves are kept.


iammada t1_j6ljm2g wrote

If only cattle could be bought and sold...


wojtekthesoldierbear t1_j6llhi4 wrote

chomps on a burger

sears a steak

spreads marrow on toast

If only we could DO SOMETHING


Raichu7 t1_j6lolme wrote

Dairy cattle aren’t raised for meat unless they are a dual purpose breed.


pdieten t1_j6ls2de wrote

Depends on your definition of raised, I suppose, when I lived on the family Holstein dairy farm my parents would usually ship male Holstein calves out early for veal.

The cows were usually artificially inseminated with Holstein semen, but we kept a Hereford bull on the farm to keep the cow producing in case artificial means failed. The Hereford was much more docile than Holstein bulls so it was safer to keep him around, but the offspring of that mating were sterile so they'd be raised to 1000# as steers and either shipped or we'd keep it for ourselves if we were low on freezer beef.

Can't remember what was done with freemartins. It was a lot of decades ago.


Diplodocus114 t1_j6lwdu9 wrote

Those Hereford bulls were so docile. Local farmer had a 'Bull warning' on his field with a public footpath through.

The massive thing merely stayed with his harem and ignored passsers-by. He would sometimes approach for treats and scare people who didn't know him.


pdieten t1_j6nccuq wrote

Yeah, a regulation was enacted where I lived, and probably where you lived too, that notices had to be put up if a bull lived on the property even if all he did was stand there and chew his cud at you. Must have been sometime in the '80s, because one day when I was in my early teens Dad grabbed a big magic marker and wrote "Beware of bull" on the whitewashed doors to the barns.


Diplodocus114 t1_j6nykq9 wrote

Enter at your own risk etc. I was a kid in farming country in the 70s (born 63) and never saw a sign until the 1990s. Bulls were fine - they never left their girls unless approached - it was the curious bullocks that chased you.

Even now I would check out the undersides of young cattle before entering a field of strangers.


1955photo t1_j6lssuu wrote

A Hereford bull and a Holstein cow will produce sterile offspring? Not even Dr. Pol talked about that. Learn something every day.


pdieten t1_j6luacs wrote

Was a long time ago, I could be mistaken. The females definitely wouldn't produce. I suppose the males probably weren't sterile because the vet had to come around with the beefmaker to castrate them, but the mixed breed steers always yielded good beef.


SteerJock t1_j6lo4vu wrote

Dairy cattle are still fed to weight and harvested. They're not just thrown into a pit if they aren't useful for milking.


Diplodocus114 t1_j6lwve9 wrote

We had heifers and bullocks here. Both referring to young cattle not yet suitable for breeding. The bullocks were sent for slaughter.

A female was then called a 'cow' once she had a calf and deemed suitable for milking.


Kooky-Cry-4088 t1_j6lyhm2 wrote

Someone already answered it but bulls are still fed out. They don’t gain as quickly but they’re still worth $2500 a piece at time of harvest… Holstein also is some of the highest marbling meat you’ll find grades choice and prime more often than many other cattle just takes more time and feed.


3kid100chicken t1_j6kq64f wrote

This must depend on location, In central Wisconsin they are raised as steers and sent to market.


CapNBall1851 t1_j6luna2 wrote

It happens with cattle everywhere other than Reddit.


cashwins t1_j6l4j2s wrote

Most freemartin calves are NOT euthanized. They make for an ideal beef animal thus are valuable from a production standpoint.


jumper7210 t1_j6kn8fb wrote

Really stupid that they get euthanized as the freemartins we had made pretty good cuts of beef when raised right


AdhesiveMuffin t1_j6l7trr wrote

The commenter is likely just misusing the word. They definitely aren't "euthanized" but raised for slaughter


gwaydms t1_j6ktz2j wrote

I saw one on Dr. Pol where a bull tried to mate with a freemartin (the owner didn't know that's what she was). Vet closed the wound and she was raised as a steer. Away from the bull!


AlphabearPSK t1_j6kxelt wrote

It does not happen a lot in other ruminants. Considering we want at a minimum twins in small ruminants, this occurring would be detrimental. In 29 years of raising sheep and goats, I have never had a freemartin.

On top of that, if it were to occur they wouldn't just euthanize the calf/kid/lamb since it is perfectly healthy. They would try breeding if they were uncertain of freemartinism occurring and if it wasn't successful it would then become meat.


mrparovozic t1_j6l1rvx wrote

Not really euthanized. They are still good as beef


baconseedsower t1_j6l3aqh wrote

I still have the male twin from a pair I bottle raised. They were born full size and the cow had them unassisted. The farmer found her later trying to figure out which was hers. Ultimately he took them both and gave them to me to raise. The heifer was a freemartin and a jerk. She went to auction at about butcher age. Her brother had been hypoxic at birth, we think he was the second one and took too long to come out. It caused brain damage that made him dumb and lovable, so we trained him as a work animal, but mostly he's an oversized pet.


vyrelis t1_j6lpblb wrote

The mom couldn't process that she had twins?


1955photo t1_j6lsl26 wrote

Cows quite often are confused about that. And sometimes they will just reject a calf for no apparent reason. We are not talking about rocket scientists here. :D


baconseedsower t1_j6lvi0j wrote

It isn't uncommon. They are hardwired for the concept of one baby, so when nature gives them two, they don't always understand. Also, they're cows. Not very bright.


QAoA t1_j6m1kn9 wrote

Do cows not usually have twins? With goats it's quite common to have 2 or 3 kids.


baconseedsower t1_j6m248c wrote

No, cows generally have one and many don't survive having twins. I don't remember the exact amount but less than 5% of births are twins, and usually they are undersized due to lack of space. The fact this girl managed to have full size twins unassisted with both babies and momma surviving is shocking.


Livingmorganism t1_j6lesu9 wrote

You can also keep the freemartin females and use them as gomers for heat detection. They like to hump.


ChronoComputer t1_j6k5083 wrote

Saw this on Dr Pol actually, cool factoid.


gwaydms t1_j6ku9nl wrote

Dr. Pol educated the farmer because he didn't know what a freemartin was, much less that he had one. I learn so much on that show.


alcaste19 t1_j6lknx9 wrote

Fun fact, factoid means something false but sounds true


elementnix t1_j6lnla9 wrote

Can also mean brief or trivial information, not just something repeated so often it becomes accepted as truth


wolfie379 t1_j6lpiqf wrote

Note that twin births among cattle are rare. In the Old West, one cowboy telling another “your cow had twins” would usually result in a fatal case of “lead poisoning” - since “twins” usually meant that there was a cow wearing a different brand bawling for its lost calf.


SleeplessTaxidermist t1_j6lty9u wrote

Not all that rare nowadays. I believe dairy breeds are more prone to them than beef cattle. It's not uncommon for a cow to reject one of the calves. I see plenty of twin calf posts in my farming and cattle groups during the seasons.

MORE than two is rare and strange. Twin heifers is the lottery.


Clean-Agent9473 t1_j6m6wpi wrote

It's more common in the dairy industry because of the genetics and also more likely to be with a i or embryo transfer. Most beef cattle is live cover, AKA the bull does the job. Therefore, a life cover is more likely to not give you twins.


SleeplessTaxidermist t1_j6mcah3 wrote

Dairy cattle are commonly AI'd with sexed semen, yes, but I've never heard of embryo transfer in cattle. Maybe your thinking show cattle or horses? Embryo is expensive as hell. Pretty common in the horse world when you're talking high dollar stock (not Thoroughbreds irrc).

Twins come from the cow, not the bull, live or AI it's up to how many eggs are released during ovulation or if the egg splits. This can happen due to genetic predisposition, hormones, or pure luck.

Some farms also use a cleanup bull to catch any cows that didn't take. AI is also becoming vastly more common for beef cattle, smaller farms especially. Bulls are big, expensive, and dangerous. Way easier, cheaper, and safer, to AI the herd and rent a cleanup bull for a couple weeks to catch the missed cows.

If you're on Facebook it'd recommend the Cow Talk group. You'll see plenty of natural twins from live and AI in both dairy and beef cattle.


are-you-my-mummy t1_j6mkeq2 wrote

Embryo work is common enough for high value pedigrees in the UK that farmers can take a qualification to do it themselves


SleeplessTaxidermist t1_j6ork15 wrote

I had no idea that was a thing there! Embryo transfer is like....never mentioned among US cattle farmers.

Honestly there is a lot about UK husbandry practices I really admire. I watch a cattle farrier who trims whole dairy herds and treats various diseases of the hoof. Here, Farmer Joe just sells the cow with poorly feet and gets a cow with better feet.


Cinema_King t1_j6kbqra wrote

NSFF fact






nirad t1_j6llzub wrote

tRaNsGeNdEr aNiMaLs dOn’T eXiSt!!111


Budget_Bathroom_1056 t1_j6jwpgi wrote

Is this a common case in humans aswell?


405134 t1_j6ki9p9 wrote

Human twins in the womb don’t share blood supply between themselves, the blood comes from the mother , and her blood enters each twin through the umbilical cord separately


sionnach t1_j6mnp3g wrote

If only that were always true. Twin to Twin Transfusion Syndrome and Twin Anamea Polychthaemia Sequence are pretty horrible things that happen not infrequently in monochorionic (identical) twins.


405134 t1_j6oufl5 wrote

Wow , that’s gotta be pretty rare though right? And I’m sure situations where twins are conjoined in the womb also potentially could share blood; like conjoined twins


Yurekuu t1_j6k1jdr wrote

Apparently it does affect the twin somewhat but nowhere near the amount it affects most other mammals. It might be because we take so long to develop and that sex differences aren't so huge at a younger age for humans? That's just a guess from me though.


Cannie_Flippington t1_j6klcmx wrote

Cows and humans gestate for the same length of time, oddly enough. But they do mature a lot faster...


audreyba123 t1_j6lm864 wrote

I just read the article you linked, but it says there’s no difference. “SUMMARY Women with a male co-twin had the same chances of being pregnant and having children compared to same-sex twin pairs.”


anarchyreigns t1_j6l4mrl wrote

The key here is that we need to understand that humans have hormonal influences on their offspring during pregnancy, these influences can result in gender disparities that may make a child feel as though they are misgendered. I wish that people could understand that a person born of one “sex” may never be able to adapt to being that person.


kweenllama t1_j6m65o2 wrote

Do you have a source for “pregnancy hormones cause gender disparity”? I don’t know if that’s true and I’d love to read about it


fermango t1_j6l2mz9 wrote

Looked it up. Apparently in 0.1% of male/female twins they can be identical. But this means that the female ends up "losing" a chromosome and rather than becoming XX when the egg splits she is XO. They call this Turner Syndrome and it can lead to a range of medical issues including infertility, just like the cows mentioned above.

In 99.9% of cases involving male/female twins they are non-identical and do not share a placenta so the female is no more likely to be infertile than in singular female babies.


Redpandaling t1_j6k947w wrote

Probably not. At best, you get hormones passed from the baby through the mom and then to the other baby, but that blood travels a very significant distance between the two babies, which should substantially dilute the hormones.


zachw055 t1_j6kdr6e wrote

What is considered a significant distance?


Redpandaling t1_j6khfvj wrote

Uterus => heart => lungs => heart => uterus

And of course it's mixing with blood from the rest of the body the whole way


sionnach t1_j6mns2r wrote

The shared blood bit, yes it can happen. But only in monochorionic (identical) twins, so you don’t get the “wrong” hormonal exchange I suppose.


Pk2216 t1_j6jr4ok wrote

Ooooh, that's pretty interesting.


Nazamroth t1_j6lwlbh wrote

Huh, would you look at that. Just this morning I was wondering what would happen if someone got flooded by both male and female hormones but didnt feel like googling it.


MildElevation t1_j6mkg1f wrote

Probably starts something like this: "Oh no! I've been flooded by male and female hormones! I really should google this but I don't feel like it...Hope nothing had happens."


Nazamroth t1_j6mleac wrote

Listen, it happens to all of us. You wake up in the morning, drink your cocoa, get the urge to commit crimes against humanity and abduct several hundred people to carry out your experiments, then you sit down and log in to work.


[deleted] t1_j6js18o wrote

Where I would I work where this would be NSFW?


awawe OP t1_j6jsdck wrote

I guessed squeamish people might find it off-putting. I removed the NSFW tag anyway because you're right, there really isn't anything explicit about the post.


ChocolatDip t1_j6layg1 wrote

I can't imagine what its like being pregnant with twins for a cow. 😭 They probably sleep all day and doesn't want to move


Livingmorganism t1_j6lf3d4 wrote

We once had a cow have triplets. 60-ish pounds each. That cow was preganante. Although we had another one with twins that were each 115 lbs, so technically she had it worse. Very prognort.


CurrentDismal9115 t1_j6lyixe wrote

Well that can't possibly be true. Nothing can defy the rules of "basic biology" that I learned in 4th grade! /s


Apt_5 t1_j6m3svb wrote

This is still pretty basic biology. Not ELI5 basic but the concepts are fundamental and straightforward to understand.


20Characters_orless t1_j6mjbz9 wrote

Growing in up we would occasionally have what we called Bullers, steers that the other steers would ride constantly. We had to separate them from the rest of the herd early on, or they would be rode to death.


katharsisdesign t1_j6jwukq wrote

This makes Dwight's comment on the office about how to induce a male birth more funny.


Iamjimmym t1_j6ljeyo wrote

Ah, just like growing cannabis!


uzerkine t1_j6lu1mo wrote

It's still edible, right?


hammyhamm t1_j6mb401 wrote

Why doesn’t this happen with fraternal twins in humans?


LupusDeusMagnus t1_j6nli5n wrote

Blood doesn’t usually goes from one twin to another. It would have to go through the mother.


pheasant692 t1_j6mqppk wrote

Does this apply to human twins also. Just curious.


Seeksp t1_j6jrn4y wrote

Typically both are infertile.


awawe OP t1_j6jry3k wrote

According to the article the male isn't affected very much, though he may be slightly less fertile due to a decrease in testicle size.


Seeksp t1_j6js6rl wrote

Interesting. I took a lot of animal science in uni and they always taught us both were infertile.


TylerBradleyLegend t1_j6ju3e8 wrote

Unless you received your degree from a religion based university, it's safe to say you can still trust your education over a Wikipedia page....


Cannie_Flippington t1_j6klvgc wrote

Except with tigons and ligers! My favorite example of assumed sterility. Apparently the whole world just forgot they weren't actually sterile for 20 years.

I can never find the article where a zoo had a tigon enclosed with an opposite sex tiger and was so surprised when they had babies.


Seeksp t1_j6judvy wrote

I do. Land grants pride themselves on science based research.


Naxela t1_j6kuqgj wrote

Why would the male be affected? There's no source that could cause demasculinization in this scenario. Only the male twin is producing disruptive hormones here.


Seeksp t1_j6kv63j wrote

Grad school is a while ago so I don't remember the specific papers backing it up but that's what we were taught.


RealDDDeal t1_j6ljy6o wrote

Is this true of all bovines, including wild ones? Bison and buffalo as well? Are these fertility phenomena related to their husbandry or domestication breeding practices over time?


pdieten t1_j6lq9wk wrote

"A freemartin is the normal outcome of mixed twins in all cattle species which have been studied. It does not normally occur in most other mammals, though it has been recorded in sheep,[14] goats,[15] and pigs.[16]"


KmartQuality t1_j6lqdhg wrote

there is a lengthened tuft of hair at the ventral tip of the vulva in a freemartin heifer


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Haukivirta t1_j6m96so wrote

Why doesn't this happen in humans?


tjjwaddo t1_j6mt312 wrote

That's absolutely fascinating. Thank you.


shadowdash66 t1_j6mz8te wrote

Don't tell r/conservative about this


Smarty_40 t1_j6n6rnk wrote

I have to say, I did not know this about cows. Fun fact learned today 👍


nanochipdata t1_j6n99bz wrote

In vet school they taught us that they’re extremely useful to put in a herd of heifers or other females because the free martin will mount them during times of estrus. Being able to detect this 24 window of fertility is important for farmers to use AI at the right time and successfully impregnate the heifers etc.


overeducatedhick t1_j6np42u wrote

We always called these "freemartin" heifers. We just never tried to keep them as replacement heifers for the herd.


rodeopete3281 t1_j6nq59z wrote

It's called a Freemartin. They're great to raise, cornfed for a year or so and then have processed.


cesconerry t1_j6ntpij wrote

this adds to my knowledge


meowroarhiss t1_j6nxzvu wrote

Wtf?! Why doesn’t the world discuss this more? Why is it specific to cowboys? Does it happen to any other profession? What about farmers?


Infinite_Mango4 t1_j6o7349 wrote

That's crazy I was just reading Brave New World 5 mins ago


nrith t1_j6lp201 wrote

This is more than I needed to know about cattle.


airfryermasterrace t1_j6m576x wrote

Is this how intersex people are created? Can this be identified and prevented during early pregnancy?


DeterminedThrowaway t1_j6mmmn3 wrote

Intersex is an umbrella term that covers many different conditions with many different causes. There is no way that I know about to prevent them during pregnancy


jnex26 t1_j6mb86u wrote

No it's not.. the fetus develops normally until something happens that causes either a surge of testosterone to either be fired off or not..

^^ there are many reasons for this..


KingofZombies t1_j6n3sda wrote

"basic biology" mfs lose everything


Carnivorous_Mower t1_j6m9slt wrote

Yep. I worked on a dairy farm for about 10 years and we had the odd freemartin sneak through into the replacement heifers. You don't find out until the artificial insemination technician tries to inseminate her and things aren't right (I can't exactly remember what they find in there. Might have been no cervix?) Wastes a lot of time and money raising a useless cow.


ModsLoveFascists t1_j6nedvp wrote

BuT THere Are OnLY TWo seXEs! rabble rabble


Blimeydog t1_j6m3o27 wrote

You say intersex, I say veal.


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DeterminedThrowaway t1_j6mmgau wrote

As someone with an intersex condition, you really don't


inverteboi t1_j6mnkjk wrote

You're right, I'm sorry. I didn't really think before commenting and it was very insensitive of me.


DeterminedThrowaway t1_j6mnwdd wrote

I honestly didn't expect a reply like this, thank you. I will admit I'm a little oversensitive about people saying they wish they were intersex, because it happens more than you'd think and they don't understand the reality of it. On my end, I'll say that I understand why it might be appealing to someone on a surface level and I'll try to word it a little better next time


inverteboi t1_j6mo83l wrote

Please don't worry about being oversensitive, you were absolutely correct to put me in my place about it. I'm a non binary person with some dysphoria in that area but that gives me no right to downplay others' pain. Thank you for your reply, I'll make sure to educate myself much better on this for the future ❤


DeterminedThrowaway t1_j6mp83i wrote

I'm a trans-masc enby and one of the reasons it's so frustrating to me is that not only did my intersex condition rob me of how I would have preferred to be born (I have XY chromosomes but don't get to be male which is endlessly grating to me), it also made it impossible for me to really do anything about it since I'm insensitive to T and was surgically altered as an infant already. I know it's a lot to put out there but it's just some context about how intersex conditions can be incredibly counterproductive rather than validating. I don't get any comfort from this, just health issues unfortunately


inverteboi t1_j6mrld8 wrote

I'm really sorry to hear all this, honestly it sounds awful and I'm sorry it's something that you have to deal with :( thank you for trusting me with this information even after how rude I was, I know it must be so exhausting to have to explain to people so much- I know its exhausting being non binary even without the extra hardship. Thank you for this.


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delicatearchcouple t1_j6lh1ji wrote

Well I'll just reply to myself since you're such a tender little thing that you went and blocked me...

Do you buddy. Just not going to get you anywhere and going to further alienate yourselves as evidenced by everything you cited.

Remember how no one gave a fuck about drag shows until every headline had to mention trans people? Then you get the backlash from the ignorant minority and they double down and rally their troops against you.

Then the general public has trans fatigue and is less helpful to your cause, more quick to dismiss your issues, and eager to focus on anything else but the constant background noise of finger pointing and victim identity. The focus is on the stupid one liner bullshit and not on the actual suffering of the folks you care about.

So you have whipped your enemies into a fervor (knowing that they currently have more power than you) all while alienating and exhausting potential allies.

If this is the approach that makes the most sense to you, then get it. Do you.

I just don't see it as effective. Seems to be a poor choice pragmatically.


reineedshelp t1_j6l6fb5 wrote

The pinnacle of evolution lol


[deleted] t1_j6lxtu6 wrote

Does that calf want to be called they/them?


elpajaroquemamais t1_j6kfxqf wrote

If one is intersex it isn’t opposite.


Naxela t1_j6kux41 wrote

Intersex animals are still of one particular sex or the other. Truly hermaphroditic mammals are an extreme rarity. I don't think there's even known examples in humans.


Scribblenerd t1_j6kd31c wrote

Intersex does not equal female.


ignominous_igauna t1_j6kdqkt wrote

That's not what OP is saying though. There is 1 genetically female twin and one genetically male twin. However, the genetically female twin is developmentally intersex by the time it is born


malary1234 t1_j6kjrrm wrote

Yes. The genetics are female but the phenotype is intersex.