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EverybodyWangChung52 t1_j7pbw7k wrote

Played football against North Country HS, the words thrown at a couple of our black (and Hispanic kids) was shocking. Same thing happened playing Fair Haven. And the amount of confederate flag on cars was mind boggling. Racism is alive and wel in VT

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doctorchivago t1_j7pl350 wrote

Confederate flags.. in Vermont.. you really can't fix stupid, can you?

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Gubru t1_j7pty8w wrote

Well it doesn't really have anything to do with the confederacy any more, it just means "I hate black people." Just like the Nazi flag means "I hate Jews."

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GenitalWrangler69 t1_j7pp65s wrote

I see them in PA all the time.

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id_profiler t1_j7q3ymq wrote

See a ton in PA the closer you get to the Mason-Dixon Line. I surprisingly saw A LOT in California but primarily in-land. Can’t get much further away from the Confederacy out there.

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doctorchivago t1_j7pxt6t wrote

Another example of morons, but I mean I guess at least PA is a bit closer to the Mason-Dixon line

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tommatom t1_j7r1yag wrote

There is an entire confederate gift shop at Gettysburg

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Munro_McLaren t1_j7qxrmz wrote

They can’t say it’s “their heritage” when those people live down south.

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Azr431 t1_j7s2m14 wrote

Had em in Idaho too. It’s their calling card

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olrustyeye t1_j7s2ty8 wrote

I'm in pretty strong support the first amendment, but I've never understood why blatant treason is tolerated specifically in the north, but all over America. You're free to express yourself, but you are not free to express a symbol of ideologies that tore this nation apart, whose motto is: The south will rise again.

Bruh... how much more clear can you get?

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doctorchivago t1_j7s3as6 wrote

The answer is that a good portion of our country still supports the ideals of the confederacy. Like there is a good number of people who I'm sure if you were like "we should have slaves again" would be like finally!! It's gross. We have military bases named after confederate generals, I mean imagine if they had "Goering Air Force Base" in Germany, it's fuckin wild.

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olrustyeye t1_j7s57t7 wrote

I know quite a few people from the south. Usually, they're indoctrinated to believe the civil war was about "states rights" to which I always add, "to own slaves." This is met with outrage and typically I've gaslit them. Not to say you're not right, but in my own experience that's typically not the case(That they would want slavery again). Although these people are from larger southern cities so maybe that changes it?

I think generally the supporters of the confederacy would like to pretend it's about supporting state autonomy, and I think a lot of Vermonters might agree with the idea of "keep the damn government out". But you can't make a strong case when you then go around being a complete asshole to an entire group of the population.

That's like saying you don't need a daddy or mommy to supervise you then when they turn their back for a second you shove a kid into the sandpit. Maybe you don't, but how can you argue that if you're being irresponsible? Of course, when THEY get pushed into the sandpit you're running to ask Daddy Tru-*cough* the government to help punish the bully.

At the end of the day, I find it appalling and frankly abhorrent when I see confed flags up here. It boils my blood until I remember that's EXACTLY what they want. In my mind, there is absolutely no doubt its treason, its hateful, and the people should be imprisoned somewhere in Texas at a work camp for 40 years.

But like... thats just my opinion man.

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Real-Pierre-Delecto2 t1_j7u1hi5 wrote

> I'm in pretty strong support the first amendment,

But yet you think you can decide what people can say or do.

"but you are not free to express a symbol of ideologies that tore this nation apart"

Seems someone does not really understand the first amendment here. It protects this speech specifically. You can not criminalize opinions no matter how much you wish you could.

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olrustyeye t1_j7ueu0q wrote

Is it okay for you to transmit government secrets to Russia, Iraq, China or any other country?For YEARS we punished people, and still do, for flying flags for communism. None of those things, in my opinion, are NEARLY as bad as flying a flag for a country that REBELLED against the constitution that gave them that freedom and claims to rebel again.

You don't get to express treason. Thats like wanting ISIS to fly their flags and when you tell them to take it down and not express their ideologies them claiming its their first amendment rights.

You're dying on a hill hiding a septic tank of lies. Give it up.

Hillary Clinton is considered a criminal for disclosing confidential info to the wrong people. Is not an email an expression?

ISIS is an extremist organization we deem as a dangerous ideology that seeks to destroy America. Is this ideology not a form of expression?

CRT Is considered by some an insanely dangerous ideology to spread throughout the country because of its potential to imbalance and overcorrect freedom through restriction. Yet, still, it is an ideology.

You only want to restrict what you believe is bad. I want to restrict a very VERY clear action of treason from a violent and disgusting terrorist organization that sought to enslave and indoctrinate an entire section of the population under false religious pre-tenses and false philosophical pre-tenses.

To be clear I know you'll never change your mind as you are indoctrinated beyond help, but I'm hoping if anyone who CAN change their mind reads this they'll see how ludicrous and illogical your statement is. At the VERY least a hypocritical point many Conservatives/Republicans make about why a symbol of treason is okay to buy and hang.

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Real-Pierre-Delecto2 t1_j7uvog6 wrote

Holy shit batman! Russia, ISIS, Iraq, China, CRT, Hillary nice job! Seriously though that was quite the rant.

I can fly whatever flag I want and so can you. Even a Nazi one or Confederate one. YOU do not get to redefine what what our SCOTUS has deemed free speech. I suggest you read up on some 1st amendment case law.

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foamerfrank t1_j7vjq6y wrote

The first amendment isn’t about individuals or even corporations dictating what should or shouldn’t be said. It’s about the government saying that it’s LEGAL to say those things. Just because you can legally say things and not go to prison, doesn’t mean you’re not an asshole for saying those things. The freedom part is about government intervention into what you say, nobody else.

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cpujockey t1_j7wdv70 wrote

> Confederate flags.. in Vermont.. you really can't fix stupid, can you?

that shit truly pisses me off. folks waving those flags have no idea that we put up a hell of a fight against the south, we were also part of the underground railroad. You'd think that the losers' flag should be a icon of getting your ass kicked - but they wear their loss with some form of white trash pride that I just don't understand.

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bonanzapineapple t1_j87dtx6 wrote

Only place I've seen large numbers of them is in Essex County. But smaller towns throughout the state will have a couple houses with them, or similar far right imagery

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Grandmaster-Gatsu t1_j7rm236 wrote

Completely missing the point.

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doctorchivago t1_j7rm73r wrote

I know the point is hate, I'm just pointing out the stupidity of the deflections I often hear.

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ClickItWithNeedles t1_j7q1d05 wrote

Yes it is. I went to high-school in Central Vermont, and our mascot was a white-robed, pointy-hooded guy on a horse. It was disturbingly blatant, painted huge on the gym wall.

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obiwanjabroni420 t1_j7shbbs wrote

What school was this, and what was the “official” description/name of the mascot? Not doubting, just curious.

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GeneralyAnnoyed5050 t1_j7tu7l5 wrote

Ours was a confederate soldier wearing blue and gray. All the racist alumni came out a few years ago when they finally changed it.

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nlpnt t1_j7w7emj wrote

SB? I went there, always wondered if the rattling noise was from the heating system or from the Union Civil War vet whose land the school was built on spinning in his grave.

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nixxon t1_j7qpukh wrote

What?

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ClickItWithNeedles t1_j7qr1m6 wrote

ahem... I SAID OUR HIGHSCHOOL MASCOT WAS A THINLY VEILED CLANSMAN.

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nixxon t1_j7qri35 wrote

I thought that's what I was reading, but kind of hoping I was having a stroke. Carry on.

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captaincrunch00 t1_j7qd6z9 wrote

>Played football against North Country HS, the words thrown at a couple of our black (and Hispanic kids) was shocking

From the players or the adults in the stands? I ask because I've been in the stands and haven't heard anything, and I'd be one to call them out.

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therealrico t1_j7qt342 wrote

I have definitely been called a spic, both at my own classmates as well as while playing soccer.

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you_give_me_coupon t1_j7pzd91 wrote

What would you say are the most racist parts of VT?

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MargaerySchrute t1_j7q1epm wrote

Irasburg was one of the only towns* in the state to go red in the last election. Edit: meant town not county

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