Submitted by RamaSchneider t3_10zivff in vermont
Maleficent_Rope_7844 t1_j83p4zn wrote
Reply to comment by Rare_Message_7204 in Yeah, that's what they'll say, but watch what they do ... by RamaSchneider
I mean, democrats have their faults but shit, have you seen some of the people in the GOP and what they've been trying to pass these days?? Where are the MTG's, Desantis's, and Matt Gaetz's of the Democratic party?
BudsKind802 t1_j8563hb wrote
One party is putting forth solutions to actual issues facing our country, no matter how well or poorly conceived.
The other party is obsessed with fighting a culture war and even when fully in charge has only given massive tax cuts to the rich and kept dark skinned immigrants out of the country while otherwise trying to bend or break the laws that uphold the free institutions that preserve our democracy in the name of trying to stay in power permanently.
Both sides indeed.
cpujockey t1_j8ruure wrote
> One party is putting forth solutions to actual issues facing our country, no matter how well or poorly conceived.
yes - but the ends do not always justify the means.
> The other party is obsessed with fighting a culture war
both parties are guilty of that.
> has only given massive tax cuts to the rich and kept dark skinned immigrants out of the country while otherwise trying to bend or break the laws that uphold the free institutions that preserve our democracy in the name of trying to stay in power permanently.
Yep - cages started with Obama, Wall with trump, and more cages with biden. Partisan politics never change.
as you said - both sides indeed.
SemperFuu t1_j83pzlk wrote
The GOP would say the squad. We need a stronger independent party! Yeah I’m that guy lol
AvianQuill t1_j83vjy3 wrote
The GOP may compare their MAGA GOP members to “the squad” but that would be the very definition of a false equivalency.
SemperFuu t1_j83vmss wrote
They both suck. Get in loser where growing the independent party
AvianQuill t1_j83vwe0 wrote
I don’t disagree … Bernie FTW
cpujockey t1_j8rv1wj wrote
> I don’t disagree … Bernie FTW
I have always liked bernie. He's always been consistent. I don't agree with his ideology but he always has my vote for the great work he did in burlington as mayor.
Maleficent_Rope_7844 t1_j83sbfy wrote
I kinda figured. To me, "wokeness" is more tolerable than the repulsive behavior I see from GOP members, but I guess that's just a matter of opinion.
Right there with ya as far as independents go. Two party system ain't working. I mean really we just need good candidates, I don't give a shit what party they affiliate with.
Rare_Message_7204 t1_j83s06k wrote
I'm all for a more prominent independent party!! Two party "rule" just isn't working anymore.
SemperFuu t1_j83s4yl wrote
Preach! Bipartisanship means we don’t get a choice.
cpujockey t1_j8rv3pa wrote
> Bipartisanship
more like it means 2v1
WhatTheCluck802 t1_j83wa2u wrote
Hear hear!!
mscameron77 t1_j8555se wrote
I think there are a lot of us that feel that way but the two party system makes us feel hopeless and we pick the lesser of two evils, which is pretty tough these days.
cpujockey t1_j8ruws5 wrote
> We need a stronger independent party!
agreed. I hate aligning myself with republicans.
RamaSchneider OP t1_j83rm52 wrote
Sure, that's what they DO say, but is it real?
Whatever your views of their politics, that is your view which you are as entitled to hold as they are theirs. What they have never done is instigate violence against others or a violent, riotous coup on 01/06/21 that that almost succeeded.
I can and do and will always work with and around others with who I have some fundamental disagreements. One of the hard lines I draw is at violence in favor of democracy.
So, the GOP would say "the squald". What would you say?
mscameron77 t1_j855uka wrote
Wait, are you under the impression that it would be possible to overthrow the US government (or even hinder it in any way) by those idiots trashing the Capitol building?
SemperFuu t1_j83rw1o wrote
ilhan omar is pretty radical and is publicly antisemitic
ArkeryStarkery t1_j84aw2f wrote
This is a myth based on a single out of context quote. One of Breitbart's strongest wins.
ArkeryStarkery t1_j84awxn wrote
This is a myth based on a single out of context quote. One of Breitbart's strongest wins.
Smeedge_Kilgannon t1_j86wt5k wrote
You independents don't stand for anything and just like the liberals it's why you get know where with the core voting demographic of this country.
GrilledSpamSteaks t1_j84j1jw wrote
I am a life long democrat, and there have been several members of the party that are off the rails.
MTG - Debbie Wasserman Schultz
Matt Gaetz - Anthony Weiner
You don’t have to look long to find a Democrat who is bat shit crazy. Crazy people have never been a one-sided thing. That being said, the current batch of Republicans do seem to have more air time.
BudsKind802 t1_j879s0l wrote
Politics seems to attract the very worst we have to offer.
The difference between Gaetz and Weiner is that the Dems forced the sex pest out.
Who's the left equivalent of George Santos?
cpujockey t1_j8rv7ls wrote
> MTG - Debbie Wasserman Schultz > Matt Gaetz - Anthony Weiner
you managed to list all the politicians I find reprehensible. Have an updoot.
bobsizzle t1_j857zxr wrote
Some of that is actually the fault of the democratic party. They were funneling money to crazy Republicans in order to give the democratic candidate a better chance. It might have backfired a few times if the crazy one still got elected over their democratic candidate.
And you have crazy democrats. Maybe you just don't think they're crazy because you like their views. Someone who favors transitioning children might not like certain republicans. Someone who disagrees with that, might not like the democrat who supports it. Some people think Bernie is crazy. Apparently, even in the party he caucuses with. The democrats kneecapped him twice. Joe Biden is a documented liar with a history of racist comments and they still preferred him over Bernie. That should show who really runs the country. it's the wealthy.
Maleficent_Rope_7844 t1_j88v9m4 wrote
Then there's also the distorted view each side has of the other- as in the case of "democrats transitioning children". Who exactly is a proponent of transitioning children?
Like I said, I just want decent candidates. Half the problem is we cling to this tribe mentality of being a part of one party or the other. It's the same thing that drives people to stick with one sports team over another. Tribalism. It's bullshit.
I try to avoid that thinking, which is why I generally vote blue but will still vote for Phil Scott, because he's halfway decent. I don't care that much that he's a republican, so long as he doesn't act like the others.
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