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BilliamBaggins t1_ja35ca2 wrote

Are you from 100 years ago and trying to sell me on the promise of this new mechanical horse? Trying to convince me that a gallon of gas could beat me up? Is there some inside joke on this sub I'm not getting?

What's happening?

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Legitimate_Proof OP t1_ja3dfzj wrote

>Are you from 100 years ago and trying to sell me on the promise of this new mechanical horse?

No.

>Trying to convince me that a gallon of gas could beat me up?

Not my intent, but yes it could.

> Is there some inside joke on this sub I'm not getting?

Not that I know of.

>What's happening?

Humans are destroying the world. I'm trying to provide different points of comparison than the usual debate.

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BilliamBaggins t1_ja3u3uw wrote

>No

Glad we cleared that up. Time travel has terrifying implications.

>Not my intent, but yes it could.

Good to know.

>Not that I know of.

Thank goodness. Those "whoosh" moments are so embarrassing.

>Humans are destroying the world. I'm trying to provide different points of comparison than the usual debate.

Now I'm with you there. I just fail to see how touting the the wonder of gasoline helps move that debate forward, unless I'm missing the point? If you're arguing that manual labor is insignificant compared to fossil fuel power and using it as a reference to show how powerful other renewable sources of energy need to be, it's an interesting perspective.

I guess in short I'm not sure where you were headed with this.

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Legitimate_Proof OP t1_ja3y36s wrote

I thought that if I had said "stop driving novelty-sized vanity trucks because it's selfish and wasteful," or "stop driving and flying so much" we'd get into the normal fights about climate change: personal action vs corporations and the government, and VT's impact vs China's, etc.

I wanted to add a perspective to those conversations in the future, and to people complaining about the cost of energy, that it's objectively cheap. People only compare it to what the price used to be, which may not be a meaningful comparison, and to the price of other fuels. That is what this post is doing, by saying we pay much less than manual labor. That allows us to do too much. So the main point was that sense of scale. Even our everyday lives are out of scale. Out of scale with what the earth can provide. To me that inspires climate action.

But I did think the post was too long and probably making too many different points. Without the context that I think that what humans did for tens or hundreds of thousands of years, without ruining the world, should be a point of comparison. Not that we should return to that lifestyle but it gives us the scale that keeps things in balance.

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