Submitted by halfbakedblake t3_11k90bf in vermont
halfbakedblake OP t1_jb62wxl wrote
To me, sky wizard schools shouldn't get any government help, nor should any school that is "independent."
balding_dad t1_jb6f1x4 wrote
This is a very good philosophical stance to have but the reality of the situation is much messier than that. There has been a very effective status quo in this state for a century where public funding of independent schools played a huge role. The Supreme Court has upended the status quo and there are only bad options left. The students of the NEK receive a better education than rural students in almost any other situation, far better than most public education, and without public funding there is going to be a very real drop in educational outcomes for students in these areas. Are you in favor of that?
Smeedge_Kilgannon t1_jb6rh9a wrote
There has already been a dramatic drop in education quality as we overload public school because new residence would rather give their children a half-assed education and a long commute at an overcrowded public school rather than sending them to a "religious institutions for indoctrination". Actual quote from this posts comment section.
I never knew anyone who went to MSJ and came out a religious fanatic.
jteedubs t1_jb75nt0 wrote
I never knew anyone that went to Liberty college and came out religious, must not be religious.
Wait!, frig, I don’t know anyone that went to liberty college.
Smeedge_Kilgannon t1_jb7mhay wrote
It's actually a University and I'm not sure of the point you're trying to make, but it doesn't corollate with any of my statement. Would you care to clarify?
halfbakedblake OP t1_jb6fg0k wrote
No, I am not educated enough about the situation. I believe that was obvious in my response.
Smeedge_Kilgannon t1_jb6rv0d wrote
If you're not educated on the subject and have no worthwhile take or input on the subject why even share at all and if your point was to become more educated why be passive agressive in your reply to this users informative comment even though it contradicts the click bait narrative you were obviously going for here by sharing anything from that glorified tabloid thedigger. The name of the publication alone should make you angry with how similar is sounds to other words.
halfbakedblake OP t1_jb6ur9y wrote
I hate you can't read subtext. I was not being sarcastic. Mostly for the arguments. I feel people don't usually have their mind changed by reddit, I do not know shit about this. Also, should the word punt or trucker bother me? Thank you for taking the time to talk shit. For your reference, this time I'm being sarcastic.
Smeedge_Kilgannon t1_jb725fz wrote
I hate when people think that they can imply "subtext" to deflect from their stupid takes on things they don't understand when they're clickbaiting.
Real-Pierre-Delecto2 t1_jb67758 wrote
So do what then build new high schools across a good portion of the NEK? Seize the independents by imminent domain and essentially nationalize them?
Becks actual point or so it seems is not arguing for religion just pointing out the collateral damage to thousands of other students in the state. Is it really worth it over a handful of religious students?
Optimized_Orangutan t1_jb68og6 wrote
It's not. The NEK is dead enough. People in here talking about defunding two of it's biggest employers and leaving three counties without a highschool.
Real-Pierre-Delecto2 t1_jb69rud wrote
Even our own Agency of Ed is against it.
"That proposal drew swift opposition from independent schools and school choice advocates. The Vermont Agency of Education also opposed it, Education Secretary Dan French said earlier this week.
“Unlike public schools, independent schools exist for a variety of purposes. Regulating them in a manner comparable to public schools would be inappropriate,” French wrote in testimony submitted to the Senate Committee on Education.
The proposed legislation, he said, “would significantly alter the independent school landscape in Vermont.”
https://vtdigger.org/2023/03/03/house-lawmakers-weigh-softer-approach-to-independent-schools/
dordemartinovic t1_jb6h62i wrote
Well yeah, Dan French is a Republican political appointee, his view on independent schools is likely part of why he was hired in the first place
Real-Pierre-Delecto2 t1_jb6kqyz wrote
Got anything other than he's republican appointee. I did not and dont know much of anything about him but I never knew this to be a pressing issue until recently nor ever heard a peep outa the governor about his issue either. But if you have something that shows thats why he was hired I would be open to it.
dordemartinovic t1_jb6xhh9 wrote
You heard what the Governor wants when Dan French opened his mouth. That’s what political appointees do.
But yeah, Scott is on the record supporting school choice.
I obviously wasn’t in the room when Scott selected French, but I do know that disagreement over this issue was a significant reason why French’s predecessor left, so it kind of follows that he was hired at least partially because of this
Real-Pierre-Delecto2 t1_jb74hqq wrote
I don't see the point of the linked article really. Why is school choice a republican thing? Even Scott's opponent Sue Minter was against the proposed rules per the article. Seems the so called mouthpiece of the governor was aligned with the dems as well. After all and ya Ill go way out on a limb and assume that at the time dems had control of all but the governorship they failed to advance any of this. So again I don't think that paints the guy in the bad light you are implying.
dordemartinovic t1_jb7cgwh wrote
I suggest reading both official party platforms if you don’t think school choice is a partisan issue in Vermont
I also never called anyone a bad guy. I said Dan French’s job is to advance Republican education policy. That’s a fact.
And yes, the Democrats did do something about it back then. Guess what’s causing all this hullabaloo? The Supreme Court effectively overturning what the Democrats did
halfbakedblake OP t1_jb6e5x7 wrote
I have no valid arguments. This was more to get an understanding of this article. It was a bit confusing to me. I know he works at the academy and was reading from the view point he wants to protect them.
I don't think we should build highschools across the nek. I don't think religious or private schools should get my money either. I would also like a better choice, I am truly not well enough informed to give one.
Real-Pierre-Delecto2 t1_jb6lw8v wrote
Well both the Academy and LI are private. You would need to build at least two maybe more public high schools to replace them if no public money flowed to private schools. That's just the way it's always been out here. Essex county just east of the Academy has no high schools at all and many other towns in Caledonia Co rely on those two mainly but also a network of many smaller schools.
Optimized_Orangutan t1_jb66p1h wrote
Why?
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