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mgallo45 t1_jcotply wrote
Agreed. If churches want a seat at the table to be involved the legislative process, maybe they could start by paying taxes.
RamaSchneider OP t1_jcofd1s wrote
And a huge fuck you to Sen. Dick Sears, D-Bennington too for putting the rights of big, organized, world-wide religion ahead of the rights of children to not be molested, raped, murdered, tortured or other.
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heartbeatsleft t1_jcosjpe wrote
Has that stopped the rightwing from pushing their agenda through legislatures, knowing it’ll be challenged or rejected? Then they simply try again and again, improving their craft each time until it’s finally the new law. They did it with abortion in numerous states until it was federally overturned. They found a way to have bounty hunter laws for abortions be accepted by the courts. Has that literally ever stopped them from challenging existing laws? So why should it stop us?
Maybe let Texas be an example and implement bounty Hunter laws against clergy sex abuse.
Reasonable_Bend_1472 t1_jcpbuqp wrote
The right bought the supreme court fair and square!
RamaSchneider OP t1_jcokzfx wrote
I guess the kids could challenge on the basis of constitutional protections too, but they'd have to do that after the fact and all the damage. The churches get to cover up the abuse in a proactive fashion.
Fine, maybe a court would throw it out, but until that moment there'd be that much more protections for the children.
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RamaSchneider OP t1_jcoltr5 wrote
So tell me how it works then, and let's figure out how to keep religious leaders from covering up some of the worst crimes imaginable.
PS. I don't think ANY religion will be found to legally aid and abet child molestation, rape, murder and torture. I do not think that will be found constitutional.
halfbakedblake t1_jcp2y3d wrote
I am pretty sure the Catholics legally aided their rapists by hiding them and moving them location to location. Murder is totally okay in a lot of religions, especially if deemed holy by another human. Torture, see murder.
endeavour3d t1_jcqphfa wrote
remind me what happened with Roe v Wade or the Civil Rights act
Human802 t1_jcp01xu wrote
““And the sacramental seal of confession is the worldwide law of the Catholic Church, not just the diocese of Burlington, Vermont,” Coyne said, according to the Associated Press. He added that the bill “crosses a Constitutional protective element of our religious faith: the right to worship as we see fit.”
The Church position is clear, requiring them to report any information about child abuse infringes on the Catholic ability to worship.
Just imagine if the Church of Scientology asked for an exemption to the mandatory reporting requirement.
Beardly_Smith t1_jcro4bb wrote
Church of Scientology isn't a religion, and they'll be the first to tell you that
Human802 t1_jctc2k6 wrote
Do they have tax exemption for religious organizations?
Beardly_Smith t1_jcxguph wrote
Depends on the location
Human802 t1_jcxotwq wrote
Listen regardless of what you think the US government gives them religious protection.
Beardly_Smith t1_jcy3y23 wrote
Regardless of what you think not every Scientology building is tax exempt
Human802 t1_jcy6hc3 wrote
Cool story bro, tell Xenu I said Hi.
Beardly_Smith t1_jcyc9eh wrote
Aww, did you not like the truth so you came back with a childish retort.
funky_ass_flea_bass t1_jcp3oei wrote
‘“And the sacramental seal of confession is the worldwide law of the Catholic Church, not just the diocese of Burlington, Vermont,” Coyne said, according to the Associated Press. He added that the bill “crosses a Constitutional protective element of our religious faith: the right to worship as we see fit.’”
Let’s be clear here folks. The Catholic Diocese of Burlington (and really the Catholic Church as a whole) thinks that the right to a confidential confession is more important than the rights of children who have been abused by them. Even though in any context outside of religion (I.e. a therapy session), you would be required to report suspected child abuse. Cultures of silence are dangerous.
JodaUSA t1_jcpp6o0 wrote
If this is unconstitutional, then the constitution is wrong.
Trajikbpm t1_jcpcg3r wrote
But what about the drag queens how do we get rid of them /s
JodaUSA t1_jcpp138 wrote
It would be very unchristian of us to get rid of men in dresses. Jesus may have called it robe, but we can always tell.
RamaSchneider OP t1_jcof7hn wrote
Organized religion .... it makes child molestation, rape, murder, torture and more a question of constitutional protection for religion.
I'm for the kids - fuck the churches.