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cpujockey t1_iu4kv2f wrote

Reply to comment by whaletacochamp in Ukrainian soldier with vermontese maple syrup and pancakes by kievit4ukraine

folks are keeping up with the status quo.

a lot of folks are pissed at the amount of spending we've been doing with regards to what's going down in ukraine - and I am one of those people. However, I believe ukrainians need freedom and putin should eat a dick. Just shitty we did not just take real action against putin and spend that money on solving shit like the homeless crisis here.

also,

fuck putin. he's a piece of shit fossil from the past that should have coagulated into something my chevy burns.

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chriswasmyboy t1_iu6gvn1 wrote

>a lot of folks are pissed at the amount of spending we've been doing with regards to what's going down in ukraine - and I am one of those people. However, I believe ukrainians need freedom and putin should eat a dick.

Have to push back hard on this very misguided and wrong statement. We were spending $300 million a day/$100 billion a year on Afghanistan and getting absolutely nothing in return for it. We were/are no safer than we were on September 12, 2001 as regards to Afghanistan.

We are now redeploying that wasted money, and spending an equivalent amount of money arming Ukraine, and supporting democracy in a society that is pro-democracy unlike Iraq and Afghanistan where we wasted trillions. Ukraine is a military beast with our help, and the participation of many NATO countries. It has exposed the Russian military as inept with very old and outdated equipment. It has weakened Putin significantly. A huge amount of Russian military equipment has been destroyed or abandoned to the Ukrainians. All the while, there are no American boots on the ground, and no American blood spilled. The US is admired in Europe for the enormous support we have provided Ukraine, their heroic president and brave people who love freedom. NATO is more united than ever, and with 2 new members in Finland and Sweden when they officially get admitted.

This is the best return on investment the US has ever made with money for military spending. What about this makes you pissed off?

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airlokita t1_iu4mnpd wrote

I'm pissed too - we're not spending nearly enough. 40 billion is a rounding error.

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nlpnt t1_iu6dius wrote

Personally I think it's the best bargain America's gotten in a long time.

$40 billion and no American blood (apart from one or two Americans who volunteered for the Ukrainian foreign legion) has bought us;

  • A re-energized NATO

  • Russia outed as a paper power

  • China forced to think twice about its' plans to invade Taiwan

  • The most forceful argument possible against the myths that had come back around about the so-called degenerate West ("They/them army" > was/were army).

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cpujockey t1_iu4n8xc wrote

> we're not spending nearly enough.

look, we can't be the only one making REAL contributions to the war effort. We could have ended this shit a long time ago, instead we've been acting like cucks and watching ukraine get fucked from the sidelines.

I am sorry, but sending enough money to a country that could make a meaningful impact on the housing crisis just doesn't resonate with me.

What resonates me is the USA waving our mighty erect cock at putin and giving him the deepest dicking he's ever experienced.

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airlokita t1_iu4obut wrote

100% agree re cucks -- totally in favor of direct action. Send them back to the stone age and keep them there.

But since direct NATO action isn't going to happen, then the taps need to be wide open.

We have a massive GDP. We can do both. Unfortunately I don't see my copious amounts of tax dollars going anywhere more useful soon.

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cpujockey t1_iu4pc8x wrote

> Send them back to the stone age and keep them there.

no, this is not the fault of the russian people, but the actions of a piss baby in power. the russian people should not be held to account for the sins of their leader.

>Unfortunately I don't see my copious amounts of tax dollars going anywhere more useful soon.

Yes, but that doesn't just make it ok to dump tons of fucking cash when our own people are hurting. The US military has an operational budget that is already rubber stamped and allocated - make it their problem.

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ranaparvus t1_iu6bkt0 wrote

Schooling Putin in Ukraine is a LOT cheaper than confronting him in the Arctic, which is his ultimate goal.

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cpujockey t1_iu6v625 wrote

The Arctic? That's neutral ground.

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Corey307 t1_iu72foa wrote

My thinking is any state that spends more federal dollars than the state pays in taxes shouldn’t bitch about how the federal government spends money. Vermont gets a lot more federal dollars per year than we pay in federal taxes, It’s more like Californians and New Yorkers are footing the majority of the bill and let’s be honest the people that scream the loudest about how government money is spent are probably getting a full tax refund because they don’t make shit.

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