I think they said it was three so far this year.

Yup. Third

This isn’t news anymore. Just a rolling count on how many stupid people drive big rigs

Should be an immediate license suspension at this point.

Arrested for possession while having an outstanding warrant for possession. Well done.

Every. Year. SMH. Are truck drivers really that clueless about the size of the road or are they really that arrogant to think they can ignore the litany of signs explicitly saying "you will get stuck" and "you will get fined?" Or is it possibly that company owners are demanding drivers take this route to attempt to save time/fuel? Are there any truck drivers who can weigh in on this and attempt to explain why this is a perennial issue?

It should have been an immediate license suspension years ago.

How does someone with an active warrant keep their CDL and continue driving????wtf!!!

I asked this question of some truck drivers once.

The general answer was, tourist towns often don’t like trucks rolling through. They have on many historic occasions put up signage which say trucks are not allowed, a bridge is too low or a weight limit is too low to discourage trucking traffic. Truckers have done research and discoverd they were lying and simply trying to prevent traffic.

The idea of Stowe lying to not have truck traffic is very believable.

So, it’s not always hubris or arrogance. They just plain don’t believe the signs.

It's a gps thing. The trucks that get stuck are using things like Google maps which show it as a viable route for "cars" and not a commercial truck GPS that accounts for things like low bridges and restricted roads.

There are like 16 signs that say your truck will not fit. Even miles away. Its just arrogance at this point lol.

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It's worth pointing out that the vast, vast majority don't seem to be.

Its 2022. Between Google Maps traffic updates, drivers knowing better, and trucking companies needing to do better route planning, there aren't any excuses. The dozens of signs on 89 and 100 are either not being payed attention to, or simply being ignored. Honestly, it doesn't affect my day-to-day at all as I'm not commuting through the notch or anything, but it just irks me that vtrans complains constantly about this issue but in the last 10+ years haven't done anything other than raise the fines. Almost makes you think the hassle of getting trucks out of the notch is less objectionable to the state than the money they receive from the fines levied.

> not being paid attention to,

FTFY.

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I’m in NJ and we have a similar spot here, though nothing like the notch. What should be a quiet country lane that leads to a narrow, single-lane, wood-decked bridge rated for 5 tons.

The local municipality has gone so far as to post the road as a “No Outlet” because trucks and buses keep on trying to take the road as a short cut and come down a narrow winding road to find a bridge they can’t cross and a road that it’s nearly impossible to back up on.

EDIT: The spot in question, if anyone's curious.

Well, I just explained that it is not and there is some historic precedence but ok.

Right, I think that stuff just adds to it.

The town posted a no outlet sign there to deter traffic but it’s very obvious from looking at a map, there is a clear outlet. If they lie about that, why should I believe their weight limit signs.

Cocaine possession, queue greatful dead, “driving this train high on cocaine…..”

That's way down, in the mid-late 2010s it was a dozen a year.

Despite this subs obsession, the signs mostly work.

Was just there thie past weekend, glad I went through before this guy was there.

Plot twist:

The reason Vermont doesnt 100% act to prevent this problem is because it has the potential to create extra revenue on the fines from each incident. Better ROI!

[Cues twilight zone music]

The signs can be easily missed. They need some barriers that simulate the rocks in the notch that you must weave through before going up. It’s the only way to prevent this. But then we would have nothing to talk about.

Probably is. He was skating on cops that put out the first warrant not alerting the PA DMV that hey, they might want to pull this guy's CDL.

I've been saying this for years.

Not that the signs are easy to miss, but that a simulated run up with an easy escape on each side would solve this.

Or just orange plastic stakes that are on a spring and can bobble. The last time I drove up there the words on the sign were scrolling and what it said when I drove by didn’t make sense, if I were a trucker zoning out to am talk radio that sign would not have conveyed the message.

I like the idea of something like banger bars/chains hanging over the roadway. I suggested a chicane to my local road works but there’s no room for the here. You could probably do it easily for the notch though. A chicane on each side to get them stuck in a place that they can be removed from easily as opposed to all the way up the road.

Edit: I was thinking about the chains/bars for my own local issue, not for the notch. I still think a really tight, extreme chicane on both sides could work nicely to prevent this. It wouldn’t take up much space and wouldn’t do anything to normal traffic flow other than cause a brief slow down, which is how I’ve seen them used elsewhere - as traffic calming devices.

I agree 100%. The notch solution is pretty easy to implement, not sure why they haven’t don’t it yet.

They should put in a chicane on both sides of the road that you must navigate before you get past the point of no return.

"Casey Jones you better watch your speed"

Good luck with that, lol.

I'm from Northeast PA and PennDOT operates on don'tgiveacrap clown time.

Cocaine is a helluva drug...

1. $5,000 mandatory fine
2. automatic suspension of CDL for 90 days
3. impoundment of truck, trailer & cargo

all three of these should be mandatory with no way to squeeze out of it. Tell me word wouldn't get around the trucking community real fucking quick.

I agree there's no excuse and truck drivers should be using truck gps. An engineering solution won't fix drivers ignoring signs and blindly following GPS. At best it can get them stuck in a location that makes it easier to remove them or that allows cars to bypass them while stuck (not a small or simple solution).

Not sure the whopping $3600 bucks from fines this year is incentive to "keep letting this happen", but an engineering solution to prevent trucks from ending up in the Notch will be very expensive and most likely entirely state funded.

If we're waiting on the $3600/yr to fund a half million dollar project, we'll be waiting about 135 more years.

I've heard CDLs got lenient with stuff like that due to staffing shortages/supply chain issues.

Isn't it also 4 pts to your driver's license? His insurance just got gnarly.

Yeah cause coked up tractor trailer drivers are a minimal risk to road safety…..till someone dies and a multi-million lawsuit….

I have to agree the sign wording needs improvement. "TT won't fit" is not a clear message.

It's the single most common job in the US. There's bound to be a huge cross section of dumb to smart people.

I think we are only at 4 or 5? Well below the average? 😆😆😆

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I saw a Dollar General truck today stopped in Hazen’s Notch (rt58) this morning in Montgomery. A gentleman had flagged him down and advised him of his mistake before he got too far into skinny parts (and one lane stone bridge)

That is a great take. I have never thought of that before but it makes total sense. Thanks for sharing!

Not all tall vehicles are long. Not all tractor trailers are tall.

still cheaper than not getting the product there, im sure these guys drive $50k product a day per person so it’d be like two months work if they did get in a 3 million dollar wreck.

liability insurance works wonders too

I think the fine is about $2,500. My guess is that the police time (expense) spent on these things far outstrips that.

Nobody called all truckers dumb. This is just the way to weed them out

Or maybe "Casey Jones you better not drive through the notch"

Height isn’t an issue tho

Oh dude, the expense totally outweighs the fine. Just having some fun and imagination. Grew up on a farm in VT and have seen this for the past 20+ years or so and it amazes me to this day that it keeps happening.

Too bad they keep getting trapped up in the notch. Glad everyone made it out safe!

Maybe the signs are helping.

/s

My dad drives cross country. According to him, most truckers are absolutely the dipshit slobs they are stereotyped to be.

My wife is a PA who's worked in primary and urgent care for 13 years. Until the pandemic, the only patients who would threaten her life are CDL exams. She's been threatened, stalked, assaulted, had to get a restraining order, and has had two would-be active shooters who were caught by the cops on the way to the clinic, armed to the teeth. All truckers who failed their CDL physicals.

Not all truckers are dumb, just most of them. It's shitty enough work and life that the smart ones leave.

Systemic Truckism

> Almost makes you think the hassle of getting trucks out of the notch is less objectionable to the state than the money they receive from the fines levied.

Bingo Bango!

It would cost bajilions of dollars to plop down a couple jersey barriers.

You're right. there are easy preventative measures to prvent this, but they choose not to implement them.
I'm starting to suspect they like the fine $$$$...

It's number 22. https://www.indeed.com/career-advice/finding-a-job/most-common-jobs-in-america

>signs

I had a good laugh when I saw the bilingual sign in French.

Add more signs. Throw in pictures and a link to a YouTube playlist while they still have time to pull over and watch previous victims. Also take their cocaine away.

The biggest limiting factor is the ski areas on either side of the restricted section that receive truck deliveries and tour buses.

People aren't getting smarter.

So... OP can't count to 3

I’d buy this guy a beer 😂

The drivers typically don’t claim to miss the signs.

> are they really that arrogant to think they can ignore the litany of signs

Bingo! If you work in the field for long enough, or actually not even that long you're going to run into the driver who sees themselves as having a skill level way above the norm and can pull off tricks that mere mortal drivers would flinch at.

"You'll get stuck!" Cue Arrogance/ignorance rush. "Heh, heh, Well maybe a 'regular' driver would but I've been haulin' freight for.... ^dornes ^on ^and ^on."

Yeah, way too many hours alone in the cab can start one believing their own bullshit. That and the temptation of a 'shorter' route can be a real trap, as stuck between some rocks trap. ¯\_( ͡❛ ͜ʖ ͡❛)_/¯

Google maps told them to go that way. They don’t read signs.

Ref: Independence Pass in Colorado.

I thought about this but regular box trucks can go through there all day long without a problem. Why majorly inconvenience them because of a handful of idiots? Instead just keep adding zeros to that fine. If it makes my taxes go down I can drive around a couple extra times a year. It's closed all winter anyhow.

I’ve always assumed that most were certainly lazy.

A couple thousand in fines is nothing in the world of transportation costs. The problem is the road is mostly very narrow and the state doesn’t own the land.

In Port Huon Michigan people were complaining they were ending up in Canada despite 10 huge highway signs telling them they were going to Canada.They chose to believe what their navigation system was telling them vs. what the signs were saying.

Outstanding.

Google should be billed for the idiocy. Or pay for a checkpoint to turn truck drivers around. People come down my class 4 everyday and turn around even though it's posted dead end at the top. If you use Google maps it says it connects. We have reported it to Google several times and it still directs people down it. It was washed out during Irene years ago

There are truck drivers and then there are people who drive trucks.

There are people who fuck and then there are fuckers

Exactly! Well spoken with very choice WORDS. I don’t even like taking my car through there.

I was refering to JimTheJerseyGuy's suggestion

>I like the idea of something like banger bars/chains hanging over the roadway.