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ArkeryStarkery t1_iudmq5v wrote

Reply to comment by jonnyredshorts in Deploy Malloy signs make good kindling. by Quirfg

Goalpost move there.

The fascist playbook has a lot of tactics, including "convince people who agree with us to vote." Does that mean asking people to vote is "pure fascism"?

Again: please be careful with your words. We have a lot of actual fascism going around right now. This ain't it. Do you need me to copy-paste the definition for you, or can you review on your own?

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jonnyredshorts t1_iudocol wrote

Political suppression is one of the main character traits of fascism…show me a definition that doesn’t include something along those lines…

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ArkeryStarkery t1_iudpuzq wrote

So you didn't even try to look at a dictionary! I'm really disappointed. Here, I did it for you:

>an extreme right-wing
political system or attitude that is in favour of strong central
government, aggressively promoting your own country or race above
others, and that does not allow any opposition

Can you explain to me how "removing illegal litter that says to vote for fascists" is "not allowing any opposition"?

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jonnyredshorts t1_iudqsv2 wrote

My point is, stealing the political sign of a candidate that you oppose, silencing that candidates voice is in fact “not allowing ANY opposition”. Hence my use of the term fascism. It’s right in your own frikken definition. JFC

Edit: added “ANY” to satisfy a pedantic and bad faith argument attempt.

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ArkeryStarkery t1_iudsy1f wrote

I bolded two words there. You wiped one away. Why is that?

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jonnyredshorts t1_iudu52n wrote

Ok, I’ll edit it back in…but good on you for trying to ignore that you are wrong by being needlessly pedantic and passive aggressive. You’re wrong, learn something from it.

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ArkeryStarkery t1_iue3502 wrote

I didn't ask you to edit it back in. I asked you why you took it out. It's no small distinction!

There is a huge difference between "no opposition is allowed" and "some opposition is not allowed". It is the difference, in fact, between fascism and "no fascists in our democracy."

Maybe next time consider the words you use.

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jonnyredshorts t1_iue3u2r wrote

It’s a fascist move. You can spoilt hairs and move goalposts all you want, that won’t change the fact that trying to silence any or all political speech is fascist. The degree to how extensive those attempts to silence are determine the level of fascism.

Silencing ONE candidate is fascist, and silencing ALL candidates is fascist. It’s only a matter of degrees, but the action of silencing a candidate, any candidate or all candidates is fascist.

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ArkeryStarkery t1_iue82rb wrote

... buddy...

do you really think nazis should get to march in the streets because silencing them would be fascist?

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jonnyredshorts t1_iue8e5e wrote

In the US, Nazis (and others with abhorrent views) have the right to march. If you don’t like that, you don’t like our constitution. That’s how democracy works.

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ArkeryStarkery t1_iue8vjk wrote

THat's not what I asked! I know perfectly well what the laws are. I'm asking if you think it's fascist to stop them.

The questions of "is the USA fascist" and "does our constitution enable fascists" are totally different areas. Don't hide behind the law when you don't want to say your opinion.

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jonnyredshorts t1_iue99aq wrote

I’ve made it very clear that I believe it is fascist to remove, steal or destroy political signs. You want to protest a Nazi? Show up where they speak, and show up to vote.

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ArkeryStarkery t1_iue9u3l wrote

Yep, I think you've shifted from "this is a fact in the dictionary" to "this is my belief" very neatly. Much harder to debate that way! Good job.

I don't actually want to protest the Nazis in-person, because, you see, I want to live. But taking down their signs and doing other indirect protest is fascist, right? It's only non-fascist if I show up to get shot.

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jonnyredshorts t1_iuebslt wrote

Nothing I’ve said contradicts the definition of fascism you cited. If you think it does, kindly point out the contradiction.

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ArkeryStarkery t1_iuf8iau wrote

Why should I? You haven't answered a single question of mine in good faith.

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jonnyredshorts t1_iufck8f wrote

Ok troll. I’m done with you. I hope you someday mature to the point where you can admit you’re wrong. Good luck!

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