Real-Pierre-Delecto2 t1_isu9sbv wrote on October 18, 2022 at 7:17 PM

Reply to comment by df33702021 in Is wood cheaper than oil? by wholeWheatButterfly

So cheaper only to you as you seem to way overvalue your time spent loading the stove. That's gotta be one of the funnier things I have read here. But either way no matter what reasoning you come up with wood is and always will be cheaper. Just wait till you see the propane price now lol. But hey enjoy the propane and the never having to load the stove again.

df33702021 t1_isugww8 wrote on October 18, 2022 at 8:02 PM

As I said wood is not cheaper for me at this time. I gave you the math. Sorry if that blows your mind, but the math doesn't lie. I cut my wood in at the most 4 days time. I thought 15min/day was probably accurate. When burning, I fill my primary stove (sometimes both) maybe 4-5 times/day so ~3.5 minutes per load. We keep a stack of wood right outside the door, but that needs to be replenished every couple days. 15 min/day is probably right in terms of wood handling. At 15 min/day it takes upwards of 6 eight hour days/yr to fill the stove. That's a total of 10 days/yr screwing with wood. It's a super time intensive task. Last I looked, propane was $3.51. However, it's likely that I can get a better price than that since I own my tank and can shop around. As I said, propane has got to be in the $4 area to even begin to start thinking about wood, even buying it split and delivered. Even at $4. it's iffy.

Real-Pierre-Delecto2 t1_isulknj wrote on October 18, 2022 at 8:31 PM

Wrong. And you never actually gave any math that shows what you said none at all because the value of your time is not listed. Without that number you cant do the "math" so the math doesn't lie is a lie it says nothing. It's still cheaper you again are just inflating the value (you don't specify) of your time. As you said you do all your own collecting and cutting so it's basically cost free but for your time. And seriously who counts how much time you spend putting logs in the stove. That's a good one:)

df33702021 t1_isus261 wrote on October 18, 2022 at 9:12 PM

Oh that's laughable. Why don't you pick a number? I actually value my time higher as does my employer, but go ahead use $20/hr. So 10 days* 8hrs/day*$20/hr=$1600. Still cheaper with propane. Why would collecting and cutting be cost free but for my time? Is the tractor, winch, splitter, chainsaws, chainsaw chains, gas, oil, bar and chain oil, pulp hooks, the land, etc cost free? That's more expense than my time would be even if I amortize it out. If I include all that then obviously propane is cheaper than wood by an order of magnitude. Yet you want to hand wave that away.

I gave you an example of how cutting wood resulted in breaking the tractor and causing a $3000 repair. You ignore it. That adds to the expense.

Let me guess, you've never cut wood.

Additionally putting wood in the stove is an activity specific to wood. You don't do anything of the sort with propane. Why would you not include it when comparing the two.