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Green_Message_6376 t1_iwx1azi wrote

How much meat would be processed from this?

edit -obs don't add your dad. I'm slowly getting used to the general cynicism and sarcasm of Vermonters. I love it!

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grnmtnboy0 t1_iwx3eax wrote

Nice! 9-pointer? looks around 200 pounds?

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Left-Link5070 t1_iwx6ida wrote

Just wait for Burlington city council to protest buck hunting season due to gender identity concerns

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deadowl t1_iwxgj8g wrote

Replying to Left-Link5070 (#573,644)

My grandpa had a story that this one time he accidentally shot the wrong sex of a bird (female pheasant I think) and the game warden was coming his way so he hid the bird by shoving it down his pants. Then left the pants in the washing machine after getting home, which kind of freaked out his mom. Don't think the game warden or anyone else is gonna think about the gender identity of birds beyond an ecological maintenance standpoint.

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roborob11 t1_iwxhcy8 wrote

We need more hunters. The deer are way too populated.

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DukeOfLizards42 t1_iwys843 wrote

Replying to codeQueen (#575,434)

An abstract from an article in the Journal of Environmental Studies in 2015:

"White-tailed deer are widely distributed in North America and for at least 10,000 years have been important to human beings for food, clothing, and tools. Market hunting and habitat changes in the 1800s caused a precipitous decline in the number of white-tailed deer in North America. Hunters acted to restore deer populations. By promoting and helping to enforce hunting regulations, trans-planting deer, and funding conservation and management programs, hunters were the primary rea-son deer populations grew during the 1900s from 500,000 to nearly 30 million. Today white-tailed deer are the most popular big game animal in North America and hunters continue to fund deer management and research. Hunters help wildlife agencies to manage white-tailed deer populations within ecological and cultural carrying capacity by harvesting deer. Thus, hunters, with their inter-est in viable deer populations, are integral to the conservation and management of white-tailed deer in North America."

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BeckyKleitz t1_iwywsen wrote

Replying to codeQueen (#575,434)

What is the problem is that there are no natural predators for the deer up there in Vermont/New England anymore. Sure there's a few coyotes, bear and wildcats, but they only take young, weak and/or sick animals, not full-grown healthy animals.

And Vermont's so overpopulated with people now, that it's impossible to even consider reintroducing larger predators like wolves into the state...

What's going to happen is that a major disease is going to strike the deer herds and it's going to wipe them out. That's what happens when herding animals get overpopulated. They starve or they get diseased. But I'm sure all you hunters will fix everything for us.

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dcarsonturner t1_iwzl6uq wrote

Nice rack, not my cup of tea but I know there’s a deer overpopulation problem in Vermont, rather they go out this way then being hit by a car

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swordsman917 t1_iwzlsyg wrote

Replying to dcarsonturner (#579,439)

Very deep cultural attachment too. People who don’t live in rural areas don’t get it, really. It starts young and just lives on and every family eats the venison, so it’s hard to get angry about it tbh.

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18Nightcaller21 t1_ix1q10v wrote

Replying to Outrageous-Outside61 (#584,253)

Where does the state biologist say they need to be killed? Invasive also doesn't necessarily mean bad. Compared to other invasive (emerald ash borer, Asian carp, etc.) their economic/ecological damage isn't quite as noticeable because they lived in the Western US/humans killed the elk, mountain lion, and wolves that normally lived in this area. VT fish and game recognizes their importance to the ecosystem since evey other major predator here has been extirpated.

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BeckyKleitz t1_ix42u44 wrote

Replying to 18Nightcaller21 (#585,520)

Outrageous Outsider thinks he's hurtin' somebody by calling them stupid childish names.

He's just a dude with a need to kill living things.

I don't kill what I don't eat. Hence, I don't hunt deer. I will hunt squirrels (a real invasive and damaging animal), rabbits, and wild game birds but I'd never shoot a coyote just because it was there. Even the ones around my farm. I've never had them get close enough to the house to worry about them. None of my cattle raising neighbors have had any of their livestock bothered by them.

Folks like that Outsider dude shouldn't be allowed to hunt in Vermont, or anywhere really.

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Outrageous-Outside61 t1_ixi4qkg wrote

Replying to Redstoneprime (#633,539)

Coyotes are invasive to the northeast, also our coyotes in the northeast have a lot of dog and Timberwolf bred in. While they are filling a gap in our predator population and serve a purpose, they are invasive and need to be heavily controlled.

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Outrageous-Outside61 t1_ixi60vv wrote

Replying to Redstoneprime (#634,462)

Humans eradicated timberwolves in the northeast, western coyotes bred with timberwolves and were able to acclimate here, they have since bred with dogs as well. They are a much larger animal than a western coyote. They didn’t appear in Vermont until the 1940’s and didn’t really get a large population until the 1960’s. By definition though, they are a non native species to the east and are thereby invasive.

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Outrageous-Outside61 t1_ixi6917 wrote

Replying to Redstoneprime (#634,462)

It’s honestly a fascinating phenomenon, but to think that just letting them be would solve the issue is asinine. They are a product of humans fuckups and therefor need human control. They are impossible to eradicate, but still need to be consistently kept in check.

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Outrageous-Outside61 t1_ixi6r8q wrote

Replying to BeckyKleitz (#591,213)

I eat everything I kill except coyotes. I’m glad your neighbors don’t have issues with coyotes, I do. We have lost calves, had one cow half eaten that we than had to put down, sheep and pets. Our area has a massive overpopulation of coyotes.

Also you are correct, as a hunter and a farmer I have a need to kill living things. That need stems from feeding my family and neighbors.

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Outrageous-Outside61 t1_ixi87yz wrote

Replying to 18Nightcaller21 (#585,520)

To answer your question, yes you are correct. Coyotes fill a man made void in our ecosystem that is crucial. But as they’re population doesn’t self regulate in the same way that wolves and lions do, if they were left unchecked we would see worse issues than we do now. We will never eradicate coyotes, and I have no pipe dream of believing that, but with constantly curtailing their populations locally we can minimize the predation.

As far as the state biologists supporting our current unlimited hunting of coyotes, the fact that we still have that ability despite what the “Vermont Coyote Coexistence Coalition” morons trying to get that banned is proof of that. Seasons on all animals are very closely regulated by biologists, and following their recommendations is extremely important. Letting peoples emotions control legislation is never a good idea.

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MrHoonigan802 t1_ixluf4c wrote

Can you kill the Japanese beetles next year too please? I have plenty of ammo lol

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