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cho_bits t1_ivn57o6 wrote

And by a landslide! I think our guy silent Cal said it best: “If the spirit of liberty should vanish in other parts of the Union, and support of our institutions should languish, it could all be replenished from the generous store held by the people of this brave little state of Vermont.”

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Generic_Commenter-X t1_ivo6p7j wrote

And Michigan too! Michigan of all places. But it's a good day in Vermont. It's a good day, and I'll leave it at that. Oh, and I finished my second novel yesterday.

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cho_bits t1_ivoo10t wrote

Yes! And Kentucky and Montana, also pretty red states. Everywhere abortion access was on the ballot, it passed. An important reminder that banning abortion is a fringe/ minority opinion in the US.

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HarrisonFordsBlade t1_ivomdku wrote

I grew up in MI and it has always been slightly more blue than red. Republicans in the state have tended to be fiscal conservatives and socially liberal. It isn’t surprising to me that it passed.

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whaletacochamp t1_ivpamkm wrote

I have family in MI and you hit the nail on the head. They are fiscally conservative but quite socially liberal. That being said, they are against abortion (because Jesus).

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Electrical-Bed8577 t1_ivqiawc wrote

Sounds like closer to what Republicans were all about before recently corrupted.

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Calicat05 t1_ivpgwwj wrote

Most of the Republicans I know here in Michigan are diehard Maga cultists, but I live in rural Trump country, so ymmv

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meinblown t1_ivoihq8 wrote

Writing or reading? Either way, congrats!

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Generic_Commenter-X t1_ivoiunm wrote

Writing. Now to nail down an agent. Getting an agent is like courting a nun...

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Electrical-Bed8577 t1_ivq1hjf wrote

Consider this, novelist: Self publish. Then you get to keep more of your money. It isn't difficult to court book stores. Publishing houses will do that for you for less, after you prove your public demand. Making a cover can be done fairly easily as well. It's the inside page and back cover that the Houses are really good with. If you want an agent, quietly wait for their critique and advisement on page and cover. That's how you'll know how good they are. Forgive me if you know all this. Vermont is perfect for writing in the fall; many a foliage emotion poured onto my pages. Can't wait to leave this beach for the snow.

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Generic_Commenter-X t1_ivqejz1 wrote

To be a successful self-publisher, one has to put the time into self-promotion and, I think, have some knowledge of marketing. I'm a terrible self-promoter and have no knowledge of marketing. All I want to do is write. I actually approached two hybrid publishers for my first novel, but wasn't all that impressed by what they offered. They won't do marketing (despite their somewhat vague claims) and that's where the rubber hits the road. That's the skin in the game. But none of this is to say that I don't appreciate your insights and experience. And yes, Vermont is perfect for writing. Have you published anything?

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Electrical-Bed8577 t1_ivqfofk wrote

Haha I also just really do not want to do promotions, signings, etc., so I stick to ghost writing. I've been rewarded and had pages stolen, co-opted and all of the above by some well seeded authors and producers. I'm OK with that since it's more fun than vocation. It's alot easier to copyright than it was 20 yrs ago (been writing and hanging with writers since a teen) but it's also easier to infringe without penalty. Edit: Please don't let my statement about the nature of the business slow you down. Sometimes others can do more with your work than you could have imagined, or they put it on screen nearly exactly as it was in your imagination. Also, marketing is really just talking to people who Are interested in what you have going on, they just don't know it yet.

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Generic_Commenter-X t1_ivr1nl4 wrote

Oh cool. Ghost writing! That's sort of like translating. Sort of. I've always wondered what it would be like to ghostwrite. Give me something of yours to ghost write. You can claim it as your own. It will be ghost-written ghost writing. I remember many of the books my daughter read when she was in gradeschool—most of them ghost-written if they were a series. Hey, that reminds me, I wrote 2/3rds of a Star Trek novel when I was in my twenties. I wonder if I could still find that somewhere? It was Next Generation is the problem. Never liked Next Generation. Sort of poisoned the well. Never finished it, but it was a decent novel. Sometimes I'm tempted to write a Dr Who book (through the franchise). I've heard some books are turned into episodes. That would be a lark.

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beatrixotter t1_ivnx9o1 wrote

I knew it would pass, but I'm surprised by that margin. Amazing!

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contrary-contrarian t1_ivn8cmf wrote

Now those god awful YouTube ads can stop. Spend your shill money in some other state!!

Victory for reason! Victory for common sense! Victory for equality!

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TomatoWithAnE t1_ivpbsc0 wrote

I saw so many ads and fliers. Who was spending all that $$ on that uphill battle?

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meinblown t1_ivoikev wrote

Youtube Premium for the win!

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you_give_me_coupon t1_ivphuqe wrote

I have not seen an ad on Youtube in at least a decade. uBlock origin handles them just fine.

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meinblown t1_ivqcclw wrote

Yeah, but you are taking away ad revenue from the channels you watch. At least with my premium account they are getting paid for my views, so they can keep making the content I enjoy watching, and I don't have to watch pointless ads constantly.

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you_give_me_coupon t1_ivqfcyw wrote

If you trust Google. I'm fine not giving money to an unaccountable, amoral megacorp and hoping they'll give it over to people making videos. More than half of the channels I watch are demonetized anyway (nothing salacious, just history stuff like The Great War).

Fundamentally, it's my computer, so I get to decide what it does, including whether it fetches and displays ads. If someone's business model revolves around me voluntarily doing something I don't want to do, that's either harmful or just a waste, that's not my problem.

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downy_huffer t1_ivoshlt wrote

I miss premium! Had to cancel when they bumped the price to $22/month. That's just too high.

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meinblown t1_ivowk4l wrote

It's really not when it is 90% of your entertainment. I use it for videos and music, so double that is still worth it to me.

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flirtingwithdanger t1_ivn6lju wrote

> With more than 205,000 votes counted, ‘yes’ votes for Proposal 5 outnumbered ‘no’ votes by a margin of 72%-22%, according to a preliminary vote count released by the Secretary of State’s Office at 10:20 p.m. Tuesday.

I love this song.

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gingersnapped7 t1_ivne0ao wrote

Such a relief. Proud of my brave little state.

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RedPillChef109 t1_ivotp3t wrote

What are gender equal reproductive rights? Show me where biological men, being half of the issue of reproduction, have any reproductive agency or autonomy enshrined in law at either the state or federal level. I'll wait.

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Mr-Bovine_Joni t1_ivo539y wrote

> dignity to determine one’s own life course and shall not be denied or infringed

I don’t know shit about the law, but doesn’t this portion sound… very pro-life?

Edit - I guess I shouldn’t have asked?

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huskers2468 t1_ivoc8rs wrote

https://www.acluvt.org/en/news/deep-dive-compelling-state-interest-achieved-least-restrictive-means

This will help you.

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thisoneisnotasbad t1_ivp5wwn wrote

The bigger issue is VT granted mem Reproductive autonomy and did not really define that so a judge is going make that call eventually.

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huskers2468 t1_ivp66dd wrote

I don't know what you mean by that. What will they have to make a call on?

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thisoneisnotasbad t1_ivpcf8x wrote

What reproductive autonomy means for a man.

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Galadrond t1_iwgzq9r wrote

Not getting forcibly sterilized, the ability to have a say over reproductive material that may be frozen.

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thisoneisnotasbad t1_iwhbfq1 wrote

We will see I guess. I don't think that it what autonomy means but a judge can decide.

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ScarletRead t1_ivohusj wrote

This was a bigger margin than we even hoped for. Thank you to all of you who voted. This is a powerful rebuke!

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Geek-Haven888 t1_ivo5fgs wrote

If you need or are interested in supporting reproductive rights, I made a master post of pro-choice resources. Please comment if you would like to add a resource and spread this information on whatever social media you use.

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xxl_gal t1_ivoa4nx wrote

> reproductive rights

I'm 110% for it, but I dislike when people mask what it really means. Why not just call it abortion?

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Geek-Haven888 t1_ivoac36 wrote

Because while most of the resources have to do with abortion, there are also some for tube tying and birth control

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xxl_gal t1_ivoai97 wrote

Ahh ok, thanks. Another question- does this mean it's going to be free, or subitized for everyone?

Edit: sorry for asking I guess?

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maimonides t1_iwixmsr wrote

I agree with you, though I’m far less than 110% for it. Just say abortion. Don’t obscure the issue by saying “rights” or “autonomy” or “healthcare.”

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All_Is_Imagination t1_ivojbpd wrote

As a Massachusetts resident (and fan of Vermont), congrats to you guys!

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EverydayiEW t1_ivofttk wrote

I’m so proud of our state!

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whaletacochamp t1_ivpabow wrote

and then 10% of my town voted to not officially abolish slavery from our constitution....

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vtjohnhurt t1_ivoexo1 wrote

If the US Congress made federal law that allowed/prohibited abortion, would it override state constitutions? Federal laws override state laws because of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supremacy_Clause

I believe the Vermont Constitution is just the supreme state law of Vermont so the Supremacy Clause would overrule it. The Republicans won't have a super majority to override a Biden veto.

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mojitz t1_ivolgda wrote

Yes federal law does override state constitutions.

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bakerton t1_ivo4ebu wrote

Jesus the money and time that was spent fighting this you'd think it was going to be 49%-51%. I wonder if we could ever calculate how much fucking money was spent against this.

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halfar t1_ivob4m7 wrote

Only an idiot people would think "We don't need to worry about this until it becomes a problem". This is a safeguard for the future.

To be an idiot and think preparing for the future is not worth our time is one thing... But I would go a step further and say it would take an exceptional fucking moron to practice complacency after what happened with Roe v. Wade. How many of you fucking mouthbreathers used to say it'd never get repealed? How many of you said not to worry? How many of you said right now's not the time? How many of you said to wait?

I hope the day will never come where this amendment becomes our foremost line of defense, because when that day comes there will surely be people like you poking spears in our backs.

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bakerton t1_ivobojy wrote

Just to clarify, I agree the amendment is needed, the waste I was talking about was these anti groups, who must have done SOME polling, seeing a 25-75 split and still chucking good money after bad.

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eye-brows t1_ivocopa wrote

No, I totally get what you meant. You can chuck millions of dollars at Vermonters, and it's not going to convince Vermonters that "abortion bad". I'm glad these lobbyists are idiots and are wasting their money.

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Electrical-Bed8577 t1_ivqkoib wrote

Interestingly, States I once loved (including Montana) voted against women's health care for pregnancy that is frighteningly unexpected (unhealthy, criminal, non-viable, dangerous) and also voted against care for children born of such strife or danger, even when born of children. Miscarriage also falls into this Healthcare need. I'm glad I won't need to try to find a good lawyer before I try to find a good doctor.

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mojitz t1_ivol20j wrote

That's what I figured when I first saw the ads, then a poll came out a couple weeks back or whatever showing basically this exact result and I was flabbergasted for the same reason.

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you_give_me_coupon t1_ivplh9p wrote

> > > I hope the day will never come where this amendment becomes our foremost line of defense, because when that day comes there will surely be people like you poking spears in our backs.

How much defense will it really provide? A federal law banning abortion will just supercede the VT constitution, no? It will protect against a state law though, unless a new amendment gets passed.

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indigent_panda t1_ivpsqzq wrote

Prepare for an influx of red state dems.

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Electrical-Bed8577 t1_ivq27d5 wrote

Vermont Constitution will be on my entry display. This is History.

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SPedigrees t1_ivqdrji wrote

I voted for it, but I'm not thrilled with language within the bill that tosses decisions/interpretations back to the courts. A lot of laws throughout history have been struck down, or at least been deemed unenforceable, due to laws being judged "void for vagueness." I would have preferred a bill with very specific language, liberally peppered with these terms: "abortion," "women," "tubal ligation, "vasectomy," and so on. But this is what there was, so I endorsed it with my vote and even had a "pro-article22" bumpersticker made for my car. I hope it will provide the autonomy it promises for women seeking abortion, but we'll see I guess.

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Dck_IN_MSHED_POTATOS t1_ivqgf7b wrote

Nice - I'm not from Vermont. Acutally, i'm a nomad from everywhere but right now in CO.

Question: How did Vermont vote Totally Opposite for Senate & Governor? It's something like 70/30 Dem, then 70/30 Rep? Like how? Just curious.

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Plenty-Jaguar2581 t1_ivpebcw wrote

Don’t back peddle now you bigot!! You said what you said!! You knew I was a black trans. I am sincerely happy for the election results here in VT… i said “yay” .. now stop harassing me

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Plenty-Jaguar2581 t1_ivoqvxa wrote

Yay for dead fetuses and loose morals!!! I f’ing love Vermont!!!!

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whaletacochamp t1_ivpb50d wrote

You're more than welcome to leave. There are many dumber states that would be happy to have you!

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Plenty-Jaguar2581 t1_ivpc0p4 wrote

Oh really? You sound kinda racist, do you feel this way because of my skin color or is it because of my gender identification?

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whaletacochamp t1_ivpdsd2 wrote

What in the fuck are you talking about you dingus. I know nothing of your race, creed, gender identification, etc. All I know is you are here making a ridiculous baseless claim based on your emotion and completely lacking logic. Your comment is insensitive toward the folks who have had to go through with abortions, and the lack of legitimate evidence to back you up indicates that you are just here to echo the opinion of your party. So, my comment is saying that, if you hate Vermont so much, you are more than welcome to leave. Other states are way more open to people with your opinion on this matter, and as we saw yesterday and here today the majority of the states population disagrees with your opinion.

SO, it sounds best for all parties if you just fucking left our state. I don't care what color, creed, or gender ID you are. Additionally, if you were a racial minority or had a gender ID other than your birth gender - i can pretty much guarantee you would be pro-choice. So stop with the bullshit games and using fake protected status to hide behind/be edgy/act like a general dick bag.

You are a piece of shit. Go back to /r/trashy where you seem to enjoy yourself the most.

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VThillbilly t1_ivopwui wrote

Wow so many people happy to see it in a constitution to kill babies that's actually a pretty sad thing I'm not pro ether side kinda in the middle you know heartbeats and such. I didn't agree with one side saying none at all and I definitely didn't agree with the side that says up to and even after birth. But it is what it is. Just sad to see so many people happy about it. We got to get back to a common ground where thing can be talked out both sides are way to extreme we will lose our republic if things keep going this way. I know most of you will shit on me but I really don't care and won't read any replies. Good day to you all

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HardTacoKit t1_ivorogv wrote

>and even after birth.

Stop it with this nonsense. That would be murder. Nobody is killing babies after they are born. And if they do they will be charged with, you know, killing a person.

This is about womens reproductive rights.

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R50cent t1_ivow0a8 wrote

"I'm not pro either side" "Kill babies" "We need to get back to a common ground"

You should work on practicing what you preach then, and understand the argument isn't "killing babies" like some want to pretend it is, if you're trying to find common ground that is.

I'm going to pretend you actually said any of that in good faith, and I'm going to leave you with the best argument I've ever seen on the matter, just in case you actually do care and aren't just another dick claiming a moral position where none actually exists.

http://humanist.de/wissenschaft/sagan001/

\I really hope you read this. I really do. You say you want to find common ground, you say all these things, but then betray your entire argument by saying you wont read anything.

It's sad. Do better, or just don't share your opinion next time. Nobody has time for myopic bigotry or obtuse arguments, but plenty of people have time for a real discussion. Good day to you as well I guess.

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whaletacochamp t1_ivpd1qj wrote

DAMN. Carl Sagan really was involved in a lot more than folks think.

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whaletacochamp t1_ivpc0dt wrote

Hey guess what idiot - the common ground is that a patient and a doctor are the only two people who need to have any say in this matter. Your obviously highly informed/educated opinion on the matter means fuck all.

Of course you don't care and won't read any replies. Just like every other hard core conservative you are too ignorant and self centered to even entertain that your point of view may be flawed/misinformed/under informed and will choose to push your head firmly up your asshole rather than use logic and common sense to navigate the world.

YOU are what is a danger to our republic. If nothing else shut the ever living fuck about "abortions after birth" since no one has EVER discussed that and that literally doesn't even fit the definition of abortion.

By the way, the only thing I can deduce about your "morals" from this comment is that you completely lack any legitimate morals and instead have created your own personal delusion of morality that fits your personal agenda and opinions. It's about as far from being moral as you can get.

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Real-Pierre-Delecto2 t1_ivpr6th wrote

Let the hate flow! I would bet 10 grand you would never speak like that in public.

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whaletacochamp t1_ivprps3 wrote

Yeah I'm the hateful one here. Fucking love that line that all of you right wing folks use "you're all so full of hate!" - I'm not the one taking away a woman's access to birth control and then making her carry a child that she cant care for to full term so that it can have a shitty life but, yeah, I'm the hateful one.

You and this other guy can meet me at the pit at noon tomorrow and I'll say all of this and more to both of your faces. Please bring 10 grand cash.

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halfbakedblake t1_ivp5aq5 wrote

Do some research on quality of life when roe v Wade passed. I'd rather them not live, then live a terrible life or get sent to war for someone they never will know.

All republics fall. I believe all we have now is some stage dressing that makes up the "republic."

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SPedigrees t1_ivqfnmo wrote

Here's a history lesson for you. Back when abortion was originally made illegal in a by-gone era in England, the intent was to protect women from dying in an era before sterile conditions and antibiotics. This law which travelled to the new world as part of British common law had zero to do with protecting the life of a fetal collection of cells. The beginning of life at this time in history was defined in a sane and rational way as "when a baby is born and brought forth."

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