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btwnmtns t1_ixq89ma wrote

Had me until I read, “…we want to use our platform and resources to glorify God…”

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barefootkilt t1_ixqge8b wrote

Atheist here. I don’t mind these folks stating this in their mission. My understanding is the owners have been a positive presence for their community at large and through the pandemic. I don’t mind that they wear their faith on their sleeve. Sounds like they use their faith as a guide to spread kindness in the world. I’m alright with that. Now I’m scheming to find a way to saint A to get some delish donuts. FWIW Black owned business in VT is something I would like to encourage.

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wholeWheatButterfly t1_ixu7evr wrote

It's more that I'm wary about getting imagery and words thrown at me that I associate with abuse and toxicity. I'd rather not visit a place that I think is likely to make me hyper vigilant and anxious, or even unsafe.

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Cabin_Sandwich t1_ixqcoze wrote

They have a donut with rainbow candy…maybe they’re the ok kind of religious? I am a little curious what would happen if a same-sex couple applied for their catering.

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witchrist t1_ixqdsmm wrote

yeah there’s definitely some mixed messaging going on. i am curious what their stance is and would not patronize this place unless they came out in full support of the LGBTQIA+ community.

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drewpy36 t1_ixqf7b1 wrote

Good point. I don't care of this business is religious, but I would not be interested in supporting a business that has hate toward any particular group of people.

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Left-Link5070 t1_ixqi1k9 wrote

What if they hate bigots?

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Hank_Arrr_Hill t1_ixv7j1u wrote

'There's only two things I hate in this world. People who are intolerant of other people's cultures and the Dutch.'

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Cabin_Sandwich t1_ixqfb8f wrote

I am being kind by having this conversation with you. You seem really unaware of what’s going on in the greater context of our society if you’re actually asking those questions in good faith. There’s a scary problem with religious intolerance right now, most people up here aren’t in for it. You guys are hanging your hat on a hook that has Marjorie Taylor Green as a figurehead, for one.

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btwnmtns t1_ixqf097 wrote

Not tearing you down. You’re doing a good job of it yourself. I’ll take my business elsewhere.

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breakfastmeat23 t1_ixqgy9y wrote

I wish I could support this business with money... but the best I can do is give my "thoughts and prayers".

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Hank_Arrr_Hill t1_ixr0lw1 wrote

Agnostic here. I don't see the issue with religious people or their products as long as I'm not directly being preached at as a precondition of partaking in their services (Fuck you, Salvation Army) or that there's not a subtext for hating others in the community.

And the glorifying god thing? Bach wrote his music soli deo gloria ("Glory to god alone), but that doesn't mean it has no value to me. I'm not saying these guys are the Bach's of donuts, but I'll wait until I taste them to decide if it's worth another trip.

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Dr_JackMeoff t1_ixsueuu wrote

Yup. Don't put politics or religion into your business model, it's extremely off-putting.

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joycethegod t1_ixr8cwz wrote

Would you rather they help Satan?

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btwnmtns t1_ixra3zp wrote

I have a difficult time disassociating negativity with religion as it often does more harm than good, and the fact they included it in their business plan is a huge red flag for me. I also just find their responses too cringeworthy and there’s a serious lack of self awareness. Maybe I’m overly negative, maybe not, but regardless, I like to know where my money is spent and I’m not going to support them based on their reactionary responses and affiliation with something I myself cannot generally tolerate.

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BOOTS31 t1_ixsdw7t wrote

The church of Satan does alot more for people nowadays then we give credit for.

The only hate I see coming from them is directed at the different religions that like to sodomize children and then continuously sweep it under the rug for who knows how long...

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Current_Procedure_20 OP t1_ixqdnxr wrote

I’m not seeing what’s wrong with that. Everyone should have the ability to have their own religion and practice it openly and freely (foundation of American rights and freedoms), same as you do. I don’t mistreat anyone and I love everyone, the way God wants us to. Glorifying God is helping people, loving people, and treating people with kindness and grace! Reasons being why I have to continue to use the resources I’m entrusted with to make sure I take care for my community and love on them! Also, the donuts speak for themselves and are truly blessed! Spread some love today and try not to tear down a small business today, especially one that’s done nothing to you.

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Left-Link5070 t1_ixqfle1 wrote

No one’s trying to tear down your business. Quite the opposite actually.

I think that is constructive advice. You are selling products to the least religious state in the US. If you want to support religion personally, more power to you. But when you put in out there in your business plan, you are making people uncomfortable and turning away customers. Having great tasting donuts is only part of the equation for a successful business.

That goddamn chicken looks amazing by the way.

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Cabin_Sandwich t1_ixqfwvd wrote

Yeah I fuckin love donuts and want to support this store, but just can’t the way this conversation is going. Maybe Jesus will bail them out.

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Sinsyxx t1_ixqe83w wrote

Supporting modern Christianity is supporting religious intolerance. You lost business by including god as a cornerstone of your business. Leave it at home where it belongs.

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Amyarchy t1_ixqpq7f wrote

I'd like to gently suggest you look up "welcoming and affirming" churches. Not all christians are bigots. I understand your stance, and I get that there's a lot of toxicity in christianity these days, but it doesn't have to be that way.

Obviously it's your choice to avoid any and all businesses that refer to religion if that's your preference. But you're painting with a broad brush and it might not be appropriate all the time.

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Left-Link5070 t1_ixqvyiv wrote

Solid points. The assumption people are making (including myself in other comments) is that the primary goal of this business is to generate profit. That may not be true and there is nothing wrong with that.

This is not sarcasm. Many entities, especially nonprofits, exist for reasons other than increased revenue.

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btwnmtns t1_ixqe8y9 wrote

This is the type of response I was expecting, unfortunately. Keep god out of donuts 🤣

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Left-Link5070 t1_ixqh7fc wrote

Their motto could be: ‘Doughnuts’ without god is ‘uh…nuts’

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Cabin_Sandwich t1_ixqelim wrote

I mean like you realize the disconnect here between what you said religion is about and what religion is actually getting up to these days, right?

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Current_Procedure_20 OP t1_ixqf23v wrote

Someone’s religion has nothing to do with me or how I live my life, and honestly why does it matter to anyone else? If someone isn’t personally doing anything to you, why do you care? Do you visit other establishments and refuse to go there or eat there when they have Hindu or budda things displayed in their restaurant or establishment? No, because why would anyone personally care? Live your life the way you choose, and vice versa.

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Cabin_Sandwich t1_ixqfi0n wrote

Really? Because I possess empathy? Buddha isn’t currently banning books and calling me a groomer there buddy.

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BostonUH t1_ixqi673 wrote

“Why does it matter to anyone else?”

Because millions of Christians actively spread anti-LGBT beliefs. Not saying that you do, but at the very least you should understand that association.

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Current_Procedure_20 OP t1_ixqjufo wrote

I understand what you are saying, and that’s why I have to be a representation of what God wants me to be. I’m not following religion, I am following Jesus and He is love. I love everyone and really truly don’t concern myself with someone else’s life in that way, because I have my own life to worry about. I’m just trying to use my platform to show the world that we need more love, and less hate. We need to try and help each other as best as we can, and as I grow we will do that. We will help underprivileged people, the average working person, anyone we can. And to me, doing that is glorifying God and I stand behind that. I treat people with love and kindness, and can only speak and stand behind what I do and not what others do.

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sjmoodyiii t1_ixqp7e3 wrote

Does that mean you'll cater to a gay wedding?

> Do you cater or do weddings?
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>Yes we do! You can fill out the form under “contact us” with details about your event and we will be happy to assist you with a quote and more information.

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BeckyKleitz t1_ixr4yw6 wrote

Two hours, OP and no answer to this question yet.

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sjmoodyiii t1_ixrlitu wrote

...I think there's your answer. OP has responded to another thread since I posted.

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BostonUH t1_ixqlv74 wrote

That all sounds good - I wish all Christians felt that way instead of being hateful bigoted hypocrites

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jfortin72 t1_ixsmuw6 wrote

So I’m other words you judged this business just because of there religion but nothing elts. You sound like the hicks that talk bad about a whole religion just because of a bad group of people that associate themselves with it.

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BostonUH t1_ixszbkz wrote

Huh? No I didn’t judge anything, I was just responding to OP’s question about why flaunting their religion in the store’s marketing material might “matter” to people.

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jfortin72 t1_ixt01y4 wrote

Unless said business person is spreading hate towards lgbtq people I don’t understand how just because she believes in god that it might matter to people.. that’s like saying if someone’s a Muslim you shouldn’t say you are at your business because there are Islamic terrorist out in the world

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