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headgasketidiot t1_j1z2zga wrote

It is not happening at any real scale. Even the pandemic's migration that vt digger called an "explosion" (in my opinion, irresponsibly so) was only a .7% population increase. That is absolutely tiny. Before that, we were seeing a net migration out of the state.

That's not to say it won't happen, but Vermonters talk a lot about the influx of "out-of-staters" moving here anytime housing comes up. Everyone has a story about the house their buddy wanted to buy but some out of stater bought it in all cash sight unseen. Those are investors, not people moving here. It is exceedingly rare for regular families to buy houses in cash sight-unseen.

Investors are buying more than 20% of all SFH on the market. This is an international phenomenon, affecting people from huge cities like London and Vancouver to the towns our delightful little backwater. As wealth inequality reaches increasingly insane levels, large investment firms are looking for more places to deploy their ever-increasing capital, and they are moving more and more of their money into buying property, making housing increasingly unaffordable for regular people.

This is a rent trap. Younger generations are being forced to become lifelong renters, creating a generation of lucrative investments for the largest landlords and screwing over everyone else. When we talk about the influx of out-of-staters, it suits them. It diverts the attention from the real problem. Don't let the rich get away with it while we squabble amongst ourselves fighting over scraps.

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TheTowerBard t1_j1zsijf wrote

I'm 41 and "real Vermonters" have been loudly complaining about "flatlanders" and out of staters for as long as I can remember. Meanwhile those people keep coming here and boosting the economy these wood-boogers barely partake in. It's embarrassing at this point. If Fox News was based in VT there would constant coverage of caravans coming from Massachusetts.

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headgasketidiot t1_j1zwbwd wrote

It's depressing how quick we are to blame people on the other side of an imaginary line for our problems, even when those people are virtually indistinguishable from us. It really puts into perspective how easy it must be to do if the line is a militarized border and the people on the other side speak a different language.

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TheTowerBard t1_j202oso wrote

Amen. I grew up in VT and I've been told I'm not a "real Vermonter" more times than I can count. I think maybe I'm not wearing enough camo or something, idk.

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CozyCabinsVermont t1_j1zwg47 wrote

I had a cashier at a thrift store berate me a couple of weeks ago. I had made a comment about something I had found and how awesome it was to find such a thing because I was in a Vermont thrift store, and he lost it on me. From my understanding, my job had no in-state applicants. Only out-of-state. Also, last time I checked, it’s a free country, and I can live anywhere I want in it. I’m sorry housing is expensive, but it’s expensive for just about all of us located literally anywhere in the United States.

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TheTowerBard t1_j204kkl wrote

It's also just incredibly insane because I can't imagine where VT would be without people from out of state bringing their money here and spending it. It's just such an ignorant way of thinking.

I grew in VT but spent my 20s and early 30s living all over the country. Anytime I came back to visit with OOS plates I'd get shit from some idiot at least once.

Hell, one time my mom who raised me here came back to visit after moving to CA for work (she lives here again now). She drove across country and the day after she got here we decided to go to lunch at Long Trail. I missed a turn on the way there and turned around in someone's driveway. There was a group of 20 something guys standing out front of the house. I smiled and gave a wave as I turned around, only my front tires breaking the plane of their driveway. One guy sort of waved and started walking towards us. He then came up to the car and said if he saw me and my CA plates use his driveway to turn around again he'd drag me from the car and "beat the ever loving piss out of" me. Dude thought he was being tough to some folks from CA but he was simply threating fellow Vermonters...

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