Submitted by dropkickninja t3_zwvgd5 in vermont
cpujockey t1_j1zh6mx wrote
Reply to comment by 5teerPike in Vermont lawmakers aim to make housing more available and affordable by dropkickninja
It will though.
Inputs raise outputs.
Landlords and businesses take notice when the wages are on the upswing. Shit I'm making 80k now and I'm taking home roughly the same amount of groceries for the same proportion of pay when I was making 50k. Well that's partially due to supply chain issues we can't just sit there and say over and over and over again that we're experiencing a crazy supply chain issue because of COVID - we've been knee deep in this shit for nearly 3 years now. Businesses and supply chains should have figured their shit out by now. COVID ain't going away, and now that we're all making more money people are capitalizing on it.
5teerPike t1_j1zhz9w wrote
Yeah notice how all of that happened without wages keeping up.
Businesses need to stop depending on underpaying labor, with no benefits like paid sick leave, for profit. This model is not sustainable, and nothing can function if most people barely have enough to even cover rent. How is it bad for businesses if more people have more money to spend?
cpujockey t1_j1ziiad wrote
> Yeah notice how all of that happened without wages keeping up.
Right, so me going from 45k - I was downgraded in pay during the pandemic because my business took a nose dive to working at 80k a year is stagnant wages.
Have you seen the sorts of wages that are being advertised even at fast food and gas stations? Those jobs are paying more than what I was making as an enterprise IT pro in the mid 2010's.
I think the thing you're actually trying to argue is more like the bigmac index - if product costs 2.50 and takes a quarter of a min wage working hour to purchase and now is 4.50 but requires the same proportion of your wage to purchase despite making more money - is that more along the lines you're thinking?
5teerPike t1_j1zjivr wrote
I'm arguing that this entire time the minimum wage has not budged, and even if someone at McDs was making 16 and hour, that's still not enough for a 1br anywhere in the country.
I WISH I was making 50-80k with my business. I've never made more than 25k a year, and when that happened half of my income was tips which are not actually a sustainable source of income.
You're just staying a different iteration of "The frycook is making more than the EMT"
To which I say, that's not the frycooks fault and the EMT should be paid more. Worker solidarity & all that jazz.
cpujockey t1_j1zkxlj wrote
> To which I say, that's not the frycooks fault and the EMT should be paid more. Worker solidarity & all that jazz.
Hell no, I used to be that fry cook too dude. Just cause I traded my kitchen clothes for a button up shirt doesn't mean I do not understand the struggle.
The economy is "allegedly" a delicate balance between inputs, outputs and the poor bastards in-between caught in the cross fire.
The labor market isn't well, we can both agree that benefits and wages need to rise and certainly it would not hurt one bit if products and housing inventory went down in price- but that likely wont ever happen.
A lot of our GDP is caught up in health care. A staggering 80%. This is why lobbyists are always shut down things like single payer health care and my republican fellows are too retarded to realize that they should adopt a progressive stance on healthcare because every single american would benefit from it. Politics aside, our economy needs to pivot from services / tourism and move into production if we want to see more better paying jobs. It's all too clear that Covid taught us we cannot rely on other nations to produce product things for us - we need to make more products or we are going to have a hard fucking time putting food on the table, or even having food at all. The fact that farms and manufacturing keep getting shut down in the states is absolutely appalling and the incoming generation needs to fix this - we cannot rely on globalism to fill in the gaps of our needs.
Anyone want to talk about artisanal cobalt mining in the congo? bet ya'll don't know what kinda hell those fellers go through so we can have lithium ion batteries.
5teerPike t1_j1zltg8 wrote
Lmfao "globalism" 🚩🚩🚩 also using the r word? Really? Are you a grown adult or a child in a CoD lobby?
cpujockey t1_j1zp757 wrote
Globalism and the "r word" is the only thing you got from that? wow. please read again.
5teerPike t1_j1zpfd9 wrote
Oh I read that you're a republican too, don't worry. 🚩.
(Also read the comic, again; three times to infinity if that's what it takes for you to get the message)
cpujockey t1_j1zpuko wrote
Rino. Former 2000's democrat.
You really paid no attention to the fact that we had supply shortages on things like masks, toilet paper and other products during the beginning of the pandemic.
5teerPike t1_j1zqlle wrote
I remember trump having a lot more to do with that than the average republican would care to acknowledge. And I never ran out of any of those things in Vermont. Which, let's face it, only did so well because of the low population density, and that we actually made people wear masks at all. Drop the masking and what? We're shocked it's back and causing problems? Sure. Ok /s.
Also, does this mean you voted for Bush?
cpujockey t1_j1zrmq8 wrote
> I remember trump having a lot more to do with that than the average republican would care to acknowledge.
Not a trumper - sorry.
> Does this mean you also voted for Bush?
No, I was a democrat through high school until the 2016 election. After watching the DNC collude against Bernie at the top levels with DWS at the helm I realized I wanted nothing to do with democrats. Essentially politically homeless, but caucus with hill billies. Did not vote for trump, but did not vote for Hillary either. (that woman has a lot of skeletons in her closet. did ya hear about the haiti relief fund the Clinton foundation took nearly all the money from?)
While I am a rino, I don't follow the public platform of the GOP, that's what the name RINO implies. Think more like Phil Scott and not your crazy Obama hating uncle. In fact, I think Obama was the last respectable president we had IMHO.
Simply put - liberal with social policy, conservative with fiscal policy, live a rural life, work in tech, make things with my hands for fun.
5teerPike t1_j1zslu0 wrote
Conservative fiscal policy is a driving force behind the social unrest you claim to care to change. Fiscal and social policy are not in separate vacuums lmfao
I don't like Phil Scott either, seeing as he won't raise the state minimum wage and decided to lift mask mandates, which is causing a lot of our labor shortages now.
"Former 2000s democrat" is confusing phrasing you should change by the way.
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