Submitted by Outrageous-Outside61 t3_102qt6r in vermont
Outrageous-Outside61 OP t1_j2uvh4d wrote
Reply to comment by kn4v3VT in Vermont Winters by Outrageous-Outside61
Dude. My point is there are no kitty litter boxes in schools, just like the weather this past week has nothing to do with climate change. Not sure how that went over your head.
kn4v3VT t1_j2uwa04 wrote
Well I’m glad to hear you don’t think any school children identify as cats, but here is an 8 year old video on why the pattern of warmer winter weather shows this is not just a January thaw.
Furthermore we’ve had more days above freezing than below it this winter so far and it’s January now. For it to be a thaw, we would have had to have had something to thaw first.
kn4v3VT t1_j2uwvmh wrote
Here is a cool tool you can run on your desktop to actually watch the jet stream live:
kn4v3VT t1_j2ux5br wrote
One more great video on this:
Outrageous-Outside61 OP t1_j2uxvht wrote
Idk about chittenden county, but the grounds still frozen here, minus the couple inches of slop on top.
Yes climate change is happening. In the last 100 years we’ve seen about a 3 degree increase in average temperatures. And waterbodies are thawing about 1.5 days earlier per decade. Once again, not at all denying science here. But we’ve literally had 40 degree days in January most years in the last 30 that I’ve been alive.
Using temperatures in the 40’s in January as an example of climate change is just as ignorant as using -30 temperatures in February as an example of why climate change in non existent.
Anyways, I’m done with the internets for the night. Have a good one!
kn4v3VT t1_j2uynom wrote
Maybe we agree more than you think- just don’t take away from the severity of the problem by downplaying it. Weather is not climate, I agree, but y’all should be freaking out or changing or freaking out to change. Either way, if we don’t do something like ask “why is it so damn warm here?” we are going to suffer together
CafeGhibli t1_j2uxuug wrote
Hey man kn4v3VT is being very patient and kind with you.
You should be thanking him for taking the time to actually engage in a civil discourse with you. That’s not what you wanted, tho, is it?
You come off as stubborn and naive and you’ll stay that way forever and probably be proud of it.
Outrageous-Outside61 OP t1_j2uzaue wrote
In the contrary I’m all for civil discourse. He did however completely misinterpret a lot of my comments. I’d say I’m fairly stubborn, but I read and listen to enough science and history that I wouldn’t consider myself naive. Anything else you would like to know about how I perceive myself?
joeydokes t1_j2v1pb3 wrote
> I literally have worked outside, every day, in Vermont, for the last thirty years.
So have I. I think you perceive yourself as much the outlier as the rando warm days you cite to cling to a point that is obtusely incorrect. And try as others have to politely inform you why/how, you'd rather trust that perceptivity than take another look and re-consider that you're more wrong and everyone else is more right on this.
somedudevt t1_j2uy564 wrote
I’m not a climate scientist, so I will let the NVU met kids tear you down, but your basic premise that warmer weather in the winter is NOT a result of climate change when Burlington is the fasted warming metro in the US is fucking moronic. BTV average daily temperature in winter has risen 7 degrees in the last 50 years. https://www.mychamplainvalley.com/weather/two-degree-difference/two-degree-difference-burlington-has-one-of-the-fastest-warming-winters-in-the-country/amp/
Take a second and look at the lake Champlain freeze record that goes back to 1820 The lake froze fully almost every year for the first 160 years, and has frozen fully 3 times in the last 15 years.
Extremes are the highlight of climate change. More freeze thaw cycles etc. if you spend ANY time outdoors in the winter you will see this change very easily, and it’s happening really time. Year after year it gets a little worse.
Outrageous-Outside61 OP t1_j2uysz6 wrote
I literally have worked outside, every day, in Vermont, for the last thirty years. And, once again, January thaws happen pretty much every year.
Anyways, it’s interesting to see your article states a 7 degree increase over 50 years, while the state says 3 degrees over the last 100.
somedudevt t1_j2uzfdz wrote
Read the article it’s winter temp not overal, and it’s Burlington not the state as a whole. For the full year BTV has warmed 4.5 degrees. The state 3. Also yes a January thaw happens. It happens at the end of the month though. You clearly don’t pay any attention when you are working if you don’t notice the difference. Crawl back in your hole of disbelief
Khanover7 t1_j2uzo6b wrote
Yes. That obviously makes you an expert on climate change and weather patterns. I’m sorry you’ve never had a day off.
joeydokes t1_j2v0w9u wrote
> just like the weather this past week has nothing to do with climate change.
This past week, one random day mid-winter.....
Every warm December for the past 10 years has to do with climate change, seen if you're not a juvi idiot.
Sure there's El Nino / La Nina years you could cite as examples of normal cycles; but even those have been affected.
I think you need to give posting a break and get outdoors more.
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