Submitted by honeybeedreams t3_10cccpx in vermont
Harmacc t1_j4fx2ab wrote
Reply to comment by ais72 in Decentering Whiteness in Hiking and Fostering Inclusivity Outdoors by honeybeedreams
People in this sub making me eat my words for claiming that Vermont isn’t racist.
[deleted] t1_j4fxshy wrote
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NoMidnight5366 t1_j4g080a wrote
The article could be much more positively written for example how to attract more POC to wilderness recreation rather than what white folks need to do to atone for this lack.
As someone who hikes/climbs all the time I know how welcoming and friendly people are on the trails. And why wouldn’t they be? You are flush with endorphins, bathing in nature— just in a good place. I’m always amazed at how friendly people are on the trail because this activity seems to filter out most of the assholes. I’m sure there’s still racists hikers, but in general the trails are a pretty welcoming place for people to be.
I have noticed once in a while when I’m out there I see a group of POC who are a little caught off guard when I randomly say hello or greet them as they are wondering why complete strangers are friendly. But that’s also just a part of city/suburban culture. People just don’t randomly say hi when you are walking down the street. But that is the culture of the trails and I’m going to continue to support that culture of welcoming and friendliness to fellow hikers regardless of their race.
ceiffhikare t1_j4g13gs wrote
I have a suspicion that Critical Theory as it is applied to the black experience in America has a lot to do with the writers perspective. I see a lot of articles with the same kind of general tone in them, citing the same set of works from that..field..whatever it is.
CR in itself i guess is just a tool to shift ones perspective but it was built around economic models IRRC so trying to bend it to other *(edit, just a typo,no i didnt get religion. ) *disciplines seems.. a stretch at best, which might be why the whole article seemed off to me.
Harmacc t1_j4fxvrt wrote
I suppose you didn’t read it
The only people it pisses off are snowflakes who don’t like the idea of not being the center.
The very title is about the fact that it’s for everyone.
If a PoC who says “maybe white folks shouldn’t be the default in the hobby” pisses you off, maybe you have some shit to work out that you didn’t know was inside you.
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Harmacc t1_j4fyezy wrote
Ah there you are. Maybe that thing inside you is well known to you after all.
Most-Analysis-4632 t1_j4g4qrm wrote
Sure. I read it. It’s not clickbait; it was published in the Green Mountain Club’s gazette. I’m white, but am interested in others’ perspectives, since by definition I can’t see them unless I’m told about them. I found the article interesting and well-written.
Hellrazor32 t1_j4g6qx1 wrote
The layers of racism in this comment 🤦🤦🤦
Comfortable-Job-6236 t1_j4ggaux wrote
Dude vermont is like 90% white people, people are getting pissed off because obviously statistically there would be more white people on trails in a state with mostly white people and it has nothing to do with black people not feeling like hiking, you know how me and my friends got into hiking? One friend would ask another to go hiking and that one would get into it and get his friends into it, if PoC want more hikers then they should do what everyone else does and try getting thir friends I to it and then their friends friends. Yes some people here are racist I think thats Tru for every state especially older generations but you can't let that stop you from doing what you like, while I've never felt racism I've been in countries that despise Americans and would swear at me when they heard me speaking English, do you think I let that affect my experience? Do you think I stayed inside and hid? No, I went out and had fun and ignored ignorant asshole people, as should everyone, regardless of color.
ThePecanRolls5225 t1_j4gbtds wrote
There is a real problem with people of color not feeling comfortable in outdoor recreational spaces. It’s something that has been well studied and just because you don’t think it’s a problem doesn’t mean it’s not.
[deleted] t1_j4g4mml wrote
I recommend giving White Gaze some hearty research.
The people up here STARE. The richer and older the Vermonter the worse the staring is.
Edit: Ooo, touched a nerve did I? Y’all need to learn to keep your eyes to yourselves tbh.
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