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SemperFuu t1_j5lgi5x wrote

“Once a symbol of a healthy community, the building is now a glaring illustration of what ails Burlington: uncaring property owners, stalled development, rampant homelessness, unchecked vandalism and a growing sense that this beautiful small city has lost a step.”

This is what I don’t get. If Vermonters like this person are majority progressive, then why aren’t y’all happy with progressive policies that got you to this place? “Unchecked vandalism” is unchecked because of DA policy. Just seems like more whining and complaining aka NIMBYism. If you want change then vote accordingly, shops accordingly, or move accordingly to your beliefs, like this 3 wellness membership person can.

Imo Burlington is awesome, has great care for community to include house less and addicts. I’ve lived in a dozen states, countless towns and cities, a few other countries, and this area is doing really really well compared to many others. If I could change anything it’s Act250 and the white landowners who can’t /won’t sell to develop. Change the legislation, you’ll change vermont and keep the youth here. Without it will be more gray crusty VTers talking about “back in my day”

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sixteenandseven t1_j5mb2qn wrote

This is what I don’t get. If Vermonters like this person are majority progressive, then why aren’t y’all happy with progressive policies that got you to this place?

That's an easy one, Vermonters are decidedly *not* majority progressive. At all. Geriatric lefty conservatism looks different (and is better than) right-wing conservatism, but it's still conservative as fuck. We're an old state with a ton of boomers who want Vermont to remain exactly the way it was.

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SemperFuu t1_j5meuzh wrote

The city of Burlington I should’ve said. As that’s their complaint and the politics of Burlington have been mainly…

But you also made the point for the state as well. Conservative is a synonym of nibyism.

Geriatric is the majority of vt as this stage has aged not well at all. Majority of youth and families have left and continue to leave. Only old boomers show up for decade+ now.

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Hagardy t1_j5mkgk2 wrote

I’m not sure there’s political motivation in any party to make it painful for land owners to leave prime real estate abandoned.

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SemperFuu t1_j5mlulp wrote

Not sure what ya mean?

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Hagardy t1_j5mpelp wrote

We have a ton of prime real estate that is sitting vacant, like the old Boves, the YMCA, the gas station on Pearl, the transmission shop on North Winooski, the Koffee Kup building and more. It’s clearly better for these owners to use it as a tax write off than to sell or redevelop, and there’s zero political motivation to disincentivize this on any side of the spectrum.

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SemperFuu t1_j5mqwfz wrote

Yuppers. How easily could they incentivize or make the means to change this

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Cobdain t1_j5tnmhb wrote

Ooof, you’re gonna make people mad with this one 😂 One thing I think you got wrong is while Vermont is a liberal stronghold we have many old progressives that in this day and age would pass as woke hating grumpy old timers. Not a bad thing, just if you live long enough things start to surpass you. My father championed civil rights and worked to get Bernie elected as mayor back in the day. Now he loathes this “ woke culture” Vermont liberal is not the same as others, I have my love of Bernie and AOC, but I also love my glock 🤷🏻‍♂️

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SemperFuu t1_j5tpono wrote

You nailed it! That’s what I find so fascinating about this states politics and economy. And from what I can tell by this current legislative session (see newest gun proposals) its stay woke and broke. I could see Vermont state being very broke to the point of needing federal bailouts. Makes me consider not buying here…but we’re going to give it a couple years before pulling the trigger on land.

As a military veteran, the Va is great here and some of the local town tax benefits are ok for land owning vets, but not sure I like the business tax, Act250, and the miss allocation of funds we keep reading about…

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Cobdain t1_j5twyp7 wrote

Act 250 was a bomb, it needs to be abolished. It hamstrings low income housing and stems large companies from coming to the state. I get why it was put into legislation. So Vermont didn’t become a big strip mall. We still got Walmarts and targets and all that trash so really it failed in its intent and now is at archaic POS. We also have one of the highest tax rates in the entire country yet our infrastructure is absolute trash. Don’t get me wrong, Vermont is a wonderful state. It surely needs a heavy overhaul on some stuff though. Our super super popular governor seems to do much about nothing though.

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SemperFuu t1_j5ua9ej wrote

Preach it! Governor could get momentum going IF he wanted to…

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