Bernthewalldown t1_j5s04h2 wrote
Depends on what class you and your child are surrounded by if I’m going to be honest. Poor white people are poor white people everywhere.
somedudevt t1_j5tbm1k wrote
This is the truth. Downvote all you want, but racism exists at the intersection in the social ladder where jim bob sees his black neighbor as a threat to his social status. Historically that is at the lower ends of the socio-economic ladder (obviously southern slavery was a different game wealthy aristocracy perpetuating racism purely for financial gain) if you look at the battle for social standing as america grew it was normally some white immigrant community battling the black community for status. Look at the Irish, and the Italians. Over time this has transitioned into a battle between poor whites who have done worse than their parents and fear falling out of the middle class and POC who are doing better than their parents and rising into the middle class. The poor whites become virulent racists to maintain their status on the social ladder. Unfortunately for our country, the poor whites make up a greater and more unified voting block than the groups they oppose and show up at the polls, so we get regressive policies and states like Florida.
bobsizzle t1_j5uqqdj wrote
How do you explain the racists of other colors then? I know plenty of Asians who don't like blacks. Same with Latinos. There are blacks that hate White people. Lots who hate Asians. I don't think I've ever seen as many assaults on Asians by blacks as much as I have in the past couple of years. There are even black people who don't like darker people. Plenty of bias when it comes to light skin vs dark skin in the black and Latino community.
I've heard white guys complaining about blacks taking all the jobs too. I think it was Archie bunker....
somedudevt t1_j5v2152 wrote
It’s all about social status. Who is closest to the bottom fights to be above the others there. The Asian vs Black thing is a great example. I’m not gonna go down a rabbit hole of trying to explain why racial violence exists with detail, cause that gets into the weeds and becomes borderline racist itself (the concept the idea that conflict arises when one group is seen to get more than another)
But I think if you deeply examine the history of migration to and around the US and overlay that with social statuses etc you will see that the majority of the major racial strife happens on the intersections where 2 groups are both fighting for a better life, but doing it against eachother instead of fighting to overthrow the whole broken system that is holding them all down.
somedudevt t1_j5v2v9q wrote
Also the skin tone thing is a proof of the point. Lighter skin is seen as a status symbol, because it allows for easier assimilation into the broader culture. The concept of passing in the south during Jim Crow. It exists today, shit it even goes beyond that to names, and discrimination based on them. But at the end of the day it’s all built around the social hierarchy, and one group trying to maintain it (whites) and other groups fighting against each-other trying to not be at the bottom.
It sucks that w e as a society can’t look past that trivial shit and realize that the real structure is owners and workers. Some day Karl, some day…
bobsizzle t1_j5v462w wrote
Historical doesn't equate to current, necessarily. I think it's more complicated than that. I know well to do Asians in no fear of losing social or economic status that don't like blacks. China is seriously racist against Africans. I personally think most of what drives racism today is a dislike or hatred of culture. The few white racists I've known don't like ghetto culture. I've been super poor and wasn't fighting blacks. I'm sure at one time, there was more animosity due to blacks and immigrants fighting over the same small piece of pie in the decades after the civil war, but this isn't that. Even if that exists on some localized level in some state, white racists in Vermont aren't fighting with black people over social or economic status. I get your point, but I don't think it's the driver of racism today that you might think.
somedudevt t1_j5v658k wrote
Explain the white fear of Mexican workers? They are gonna take our jobs… Jews will not replace us… they hate “ghetto culture” because they see black guys in beemers driving around with rap playing and they are in a 20 year old ford focus. They see Lebron talking about social justice and equality from his platform as a nearly billionaire basketball player and all they have is a trailer and an AR 15.
The Asia Africa thing can be again explained the same. Asia is an emerging area. Africa is trying to emerge that is an intersection. And for people in China they are not more than 1 generation removed from poverty the same is true for wealthy people in much of the developing world. So that historical stuff is still there
The other factor that can contribute is religion
somedudevt t1_j5v6gva wrote
And I think that racists everywhere are. You are missing the driving factor in racism today which is media and social media. 20 years ago I would agree with you, but now with Fox, OAN, Trump, NEWSMAX these people believe all races are at war against whites and trying to overthrow the power balance.
bobsizzle t1_j5vp6vy wrote
There is a seed of Truth in everything. And just because war isn't declared, doesn't mean war isn't being waged. I got called a transphobe for not wanting to date a chick with a D. I won't be guilted into something. That would be like me calling a lesbian out for not dating me. People have preferences. People are crazy these days. There are probably people who want power and control. Big tech censored opinion And even facts for years. Still probably does. The government is full of criminals it's easy to take something and latch on to it. Everyone wants to be a victim or wants attention. Social media is creating a world of stupid people and mentally ill. It drives almost any negative you can think of. You can find a reason to hate anyone on social media. It's one reason I don't use tik Tok or Instagram or anything else really.
And all corporate media is a joke. They all have an agenda outside of reporting the news.
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