Submitted by thebaerfetus t3_10lq8oy in vermont
Jerry_Williams69 t1_j5yfyuu wrote
I'm not a teacher, but I am curious. How does teacher pay in Vermont compare to other states? I'm an engineer my wife is a nurse. Have noticed that a lot of local engineer and nursing salaries are very low.
Optimized_Orangutan t1_j5yh24r wrote
All salaries are low here. It used to be justified by the lower cost of living. When I started out as an engineer in Vermont ~12 years ago my starting salary was almost $30k less than another offer in NYC. Cost of living (and quality of life) easily justified the the lower salary job. Not so much anymore.
Jerry_Williams69 t1_j5ytltn wrote
It seems like Vermont is really intent on being at the low end of "competitive for the region". Could fix a lot of the work shortages by changing that approach to be towards the higher end. Especially with nurses. Not sure why medical facilities fight raises for staff nurses so hard, but then turn around and pay travelers $4000-$5000 a week like it is nothing. I would imagine the same could be said for teachers. Want the best? Pay the best.
cjrecordvt t1_j5yw8mp wrote
> Not sure why medical facilities fight raises for staff nurses so hard, but then turn around and pay travelers $4000-$5000 a week like it is nothing.
Hearsay and based on sources I don't have links for am, but if you increase base staff pay, that comes out of shareholder dividends. If you're having to "emergency allocate" budget for travelers, your hospital is eligible for compensation from DC.
I don't know how accurate it is, but it's the kind of fucked-the-fuck up that makes sense in the last, oh, forty years or so.
likesflatsoda t1_j5zcp4u wrote
But most hospitals are nonprofits and have no shareholders?
cjrecordvt t1_j5zg5nj wrote
In Vermont, they're all non-profit. In the US as a whole, about a quarter are for-profit.
Even in the case of non-profits, I'd look at the c-suite compensation packages with questions.
Mallard_a4_Thoth t1_j616le6 wrote
The New York Times podcast called The Daily just did an expose of several "non-profit" hospital systems around the country. Lots of them actually make huge profits for their parent companies and routinely charge high bills to patients they legally aren't supposed to charge at all. It's really a racket.
Jerry_Williams69 t1_j5yy7it wrote
None of that would surprise me at all.
No-Ganache7168 t1_j5z2575 wrote
Our local hospital pays new nurses $26/hr. Experienced ones make low $30s and entire staff has to park a block away in horrible weather. Not appealing to potential recruits
Jerry_Williams69 t1_j5z2iwi wrote
UVMMC?
No-Ganache7168 t1_j5zbmlu wrote
No. Copley
Jerry_Williams69 t1_j5zdvpv wrote
That is so low. Is Copley using a lot of travel nurses?
No-Ganache7168 t1_j5zhasd wrote
Yes. Their er is almost all travelers. Yet they won’t pay their staff well and managers keep quitting or moving to different departments . several of my friends work there. It’s a sh@t show
No-Ganache7168 t1_j5zhkaz wrote
One friend, a nurse, was highly skilled and well liked by her coworkers but switched to an entirely new department bc hers was so toxic she was crying every night when she got home
Jerry_Williams69 t1_j5zjjq2 wrote
:( the healthcare field sucks so bad right now. I wonder if it is this bad outside of the NE. I've heard from many people that Dathmouth is feeling the same pain.
Jerry_Williams69 t1_j5zjcm2 wrote
Sounds like UVMMC!
No-Ganache7168 t1_j60ary2 wrote
It could be worse. A friend works at a Vermont hospital with a model called fill and pull. First you fill as many beds as possible. Then you pull together to make it work.
Jerry_Williams69 t1_j60c00x wrote
That can't be the norm forever though. Will have nothing but travelers after a few years.
No-Ganache7168 t1_j5z1tzv wrote
Exactly. My husband makes 20k than he’s make for the same job in Ny or MA. They blame the lower COL
HandCarvedRabbits t1_j5ynmm3 wrote
If you want some interesting insights into the profession follow /r/teachers. From what I have gleaned, we’re not great but not terrible. Indiana and North Carolina come up often as being pretty bad. It ranges a lot. Poor towns with people just starting out. $40,000 (maybe less in some). Rich towns with a masters and decades of experience $100,000 is possible but rare.
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mistahboogs t1_j5youll wrote
Both my brother and my sister are teachers and when they graduated both move to Virginia to teach. Starting salary was like $15k more a year
Jerry_Williams69 t1_j5ytz38 wrote
Dang...
kellogsmalone t1_j5yvqmz wrote
I teach in Texas with a BA. Wife and I made the decision to move to Vermont back in 2016 so we could buy a homestead and live a more peaceful quiet life and raise kids. We waited until she got her RN....now I live in the burbs here and made $85K last year. She made $50K. We still want to move to Vt and I'm interviewing but it means I'll earn $30K less a year. Granted, $10K of that is a coaches stipend and $10K is a summer club coaching gig. Even without that I'll make $10K less on my salary.
Engineers down here easily are at $100K/year
VermontRox t1_j5zx885 wrote
Jerry_Williams69 t1_j602ci1 wrote
Good link!
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