lllNico t1_jamec5z wrote
Reply to comment by SkyNightZ in Jay Leno looks great considering he had third degree burns all over his face by hopper75
that would mean some treatments would be unatainable for some people, which is unacceptable. This is also a problem in almost all countries today, so not just america.
TheSausageKing t1_jamm0xe wrote
I don't think the most advanced plastic surgery needs to be available to all people.
Jay Leno is a talk show host and his appearance is important for his career and for everyone that works for him. I'm a programmer. If I get 3rd degree burns, I don't need the $1m latest cutting edge, option. Take care of the burns, minimize the scars as best you reasonably can, and that's ok.
And realize that by paying for the very advanced, $1m option, Jay is helping to advance that technology and it will become cheaper over time.
DeathMetal007 t1_jamygpz wrote
You deserve what Leno gets buddy. If he gets plastic surgery, then you should too. And his rich ass should pay for it
lllNico t1_jamppsh wrote
the problem is that you think it actually costs 1 mil, but go off defending the broken system boo
Hazardbeard t1_jamyqr5 wrote
Exactly how much do you think the time of a team of world class specialist surgeons and everyone assisting them is worth? Nothing?
lllNico t1_jamzjpc wrote
at 10.000$ per hour, they would have 100 hours to do the surgery to hit 1 million. I very much doubt it would take them 100 hours and i very much doubt their hourly wage, even at that super high level you are talking about, is 10.000$/hour
Hazardbeard t1_jan0fxz wrote
And, let’s keep going here, do you think those are the only costs involved in entirely replacing a human’s face? Equipment. Supplies. Finite materials. A place to do it that someone had to spend several hundred million dollars to build. The diagnostic work and preparation beforehand, as the surgeons planned what to do and the teams got things ready. His recovery.
Until we get matter replicators, I’m sorry, but some things are going to be inherently resource heavy to do regardless of whether we choose to assign a currency value to it or not.
lllNico t1_jan2zak wrote
oh sorry, yeah i forgot they only do it once and then blow uop the building. my mistake
Hazardbeard t1_jan3bog wrote
How many surgeries do you think have to be done before the facility has paid for itself?
heroinsteve t1_jan4zaz wrote
To be fair, every hospital bill I've received I feel like I was being charged for the construction of the building as well.
Inflation-nation t1_jamz8ps wrote
That's completely unrealistic.
lllNico t1_jamzoex wrote
why?
SkyNightZ t1_jamgxul wrote
Not all treatments are affordable though.
It's a pipe dream.
A benefit of a private public split is it allows private clinics to spend loads of money on relatively new technology and overtime demonstrate and prove efficacy as well as allow the initial R&D costs to be absorbed by them.
Then once the treatments are affordable they can drop down into the public system.
To say everything must be public immediately ignores the obvious reality that the governments pockets are not infinitely deep and when there is no profit incentive some things just won't get researched.
Take skin grafting as an example. It's cosmetic surgery at the end of the day. A government isn't going to invest in getting people trained for such a procedure.
But private will because people would pay to look 'normal'.
Now that the people are trained on skin grafting and the technology is common, public healthcare gets to take advantage.
You would hurt the overall level of care by being driven by an end goal of wanting everything to be available to everyone.
Sure, can be done but compared to before there would be less procedures possible.
lllNico t1_jams234 wrote
oh you sweet child, sure they are spending the profits on new treatments, sure they are... ;)
SkyNightZ t1_jamyzny wrote
In a private only model sure, it sucks.
but everywhere with public and private that is literally how it works.
Don't "sweet child" me when you clearly have no idea how the system works.
lllNico t1_jamztc5 wrote
it doesnt work like that tho
SkyNightZ t1_janculh wrote
It literally does. Like your pulling this out of thin air.
Guess which one of us works in the pharmaceutical research business and who doesn't.
The government can afford some research, but it wants to see maximum patient impact.
That means diseases that effect a small percentage of the population get less funding.
However to private investors those diseases can be incredibly lucrative.
So private funds research in those areas more than public. Then overtime (because most of these ventures go nowhere) the successful treatments make their way to the top and get more development.
This is early stage vs late stage research.
The government is more willing to help fund late stage research because its more viable. But without the early stage research there is no late stage.
I've simplified the process but if you did the most basic level of research you would see what I'm saying is true.
What you have is an IDEA, and you are hoping against reality that your idea is true. It simply isn't.
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