Submitted by manishmehta71 t3_11cflii in wallstreetbets

What TLT Won't Do – Probably

TLT trade taken on 02/24/2023 based on what it will not do based on it’s own historical data.

Wrote PUTs for 04/21/23 expiry

Strike price: 84

Quantity: 100 PUTs

Premium: $700

Portfolio Margin: $4,140

“No lose since inception” strike is 83.94

Most, if not all, stock market analysts attempt to predict what a stock or the stock market will do in the future. They use fundamental analysis, technical analysis, and experience to predict the direction and potential levels to be reached before a potential turning point. We, on the other hand, analyze what a stock, bond, ETF, or index is unlikely to do in the future based upon its own historical data. Unlike RSI, Bollinger Bands, or other technical indicators that provide similar information, our measure uses the entire stock/ETF/index trading history to determine what the stock/ETF/index is unlikely to do.

So what is it ??

We have developed a machine learning system that measures a symbols' percentage price change versus time for multiple time periods and compares the symbols recent price behavior to its own past to determine if the current behavior is anomalous. Think of this as a measure of momentum run amok for the symbol. Our experience has shown that there are two levels of anomalous stock/ETF/index behavior that are of interest: (1) When the stock/ETF/index current performance is outside of 99% of all prior instances (this is called a Level 1 overbought or oversold condition) and, (2) When the stock/ETF/index current performance is outside the bounds of all of its prior history (this is called a Level 2 overbought or oversold condition).

We currently screen 600 stock/ETF/index symbols every day - with more being added each week. These symbols are all traded US stock market exchanges during normal US trading hours. Figure 1, below, shows a subset of symbols screened for February 24, 2023

Figure 1. February 24, 2023 Stock Screener Subset

In the first column of Figure 1, we have sets of 3 rows that have Level 1, Level 2, and Data Since labels. The Data Since rows describe the start date for each symbol associated with the date. For instance, SPX has 1/2/1962 which means that the machine learning system contains SPX data since January 2, 1962 for the computations of SPX (S&P 500). Likewise, the symbol INDY has data since November 23, 2009 for its computations, etc. Next are the rows for Level 1 and Level 2. Let's look at Level 1 first. In the rows for Level 1, a number greater than or equal to 1 indicates that on a price change % versus time basis, the symbol is overbought because it moved farther to the upside and faster than 99% of all other equivalent time periods in its history. These cells are highlighted light blue in the screener data. In the rows for Level 1, a number less or equal to zero indicates that on a price change % versus time basis, the symbol is oversold because it moved farther to the downside and faster than 99% of all other equivalent time periods in its history. These cells are highlighted light red in the screener data file. Level 2 is similar to Level 1 except that instead of 99% of the history, it is 100% of the history implying the stock/ETF/index has never moved that far that fast for any equivalent period of time in the data set. Yellow highlighted cells simply highlight symbols that are near overbought or oversold on a Level 1 or Level 2 basis.

In Figure 1, we can see that, AGG and UNG screened as Level 1 oversold AND SHOP and BAX as almost Level 1 oversold. However, in this article, we are focusing on TLT (iShares 20+ Year Treasury Bond ETF ) as it is neither overbought or oversold.

Figure 2, below, shows a chart of the TLT price action over the last six months.

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So how can we use this overbought/oversold information ??

The machine learning system that determines the overbought/oversold condition also provides threshold levels that correspond to what the symbol is unlikely to do in the FUTURE based upon where it is trading now. Table 1, below, shows various levels and limits with different probabilities of occurrence for TLT for a subset of future dates.

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Table 1. TLT Upper and Lower Closing Limits through March 23rd, 2023

In Table 1, above, we show five (5) columns corresponding to "No loss since data start", "Once Every 10 Years", "Once Every 5 Years", “Once Every 1 Years”, and "1% Raw Data". Under each column header are sub-headers titled "Lower Limit" and "Upper Limit". Under each of these sub-headers are prices that reflect what TLT is unlikely to close below or above for varying probabilities defined the column header. For instance, in the row corresponding to the 2/28/2023 date, we see a lower limit of 89.16 and upper limit of 116.56 under the No loss since inception column header. This implies that TLT closing below $89.16 or above $116.56 on Tuesday, February 28, 2023 would be historical (something that's never happened before) on a percentage price change versus time basis. Likewise, for the 03/23/2023 date, we see a lower limit of $90.22 and upper limit of $122.44 under the Once Every 5 Years header. This implies that closing below $90.22 or above $122.44 on Friday, March 23rd, 2023 would be expected to happen once every 5 years. Given that there are approximately 252 trading days every year, once every 5 years corresponds to a likelihood of 1 in 1260 or 0.079%. Finally, in the 1% Raw Data column, the prices reflect a 1% probability of closing below the indicated future lower limit prices or above the indicated future upper limit prices on the corresponding date based upon the entire history of TLT - including what it's done recently.

So who could benefit from this data ??

• Options Traders. The primary beneficiaries of this type of information are options traders. By providing closing price levels for a symbol for a given future date, an option trader can write option positions with a known probability of success for both Put and Call options.

• Long/short strategies. Knowing when a stock/ETF/index has moved too far, too fast is an important input in a buying/selling/shorting decision. This screening decision is done automatically by the machine learning computers on a daily basis. The only thing the computer doesn't do is push the buy or sell button for you.

• Elliott Wave Practitioners. Elliott Wave analysis can be a powerful tool for analyzing the likely path a stock/ETF/index may take higher or lower. However, there are times when multiple paths may present themselves with near equal probability using Elliott Wave analysis alone. However, many times, one or more possible paths would require the stock/ETF/index to move in a manner that would be unlikely to happen based upon the machine learning analysis.

• Fundamentalists. All traders have two decisions to make: When to buy and when to sell or vice versa. A fundamental trader chooses to screen companies based upon fundamental analysis and makes buying decisions based upon this decision. However, when does the fundamental trader choose to sell, buy more, etc. The stock screening method explained in this paper can be a useful tool in helping make those decisions with exact price levels.

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bretskigretzky t1_ja3bkc7 wrote

  1. So you sold a weekly and I assume dealt with that illiquid spread.
  2. You chose a strike that doesn’t exist.
  3. The IV of TLT’s options are at 15% of its 52-week IVP. You weren’t well compensated.
  4. Inflation nor growth prospects should spike over the next month so your delta is stupid low, if you’re actually going to do this…
  5. Screening bond etfs along side equity etfs for machine learning is stupid.

Wow you just provided the long side of that bet a cheap play. $700 for $840,000 of underlying exposure is a special kind of regarded. That you’ll get a 17% return on your margin is hilarious.

I hope this creeps close to ITM so you can sweat.

Fundamental traders get out even a security surpasses their target price. What the hell is so hard about that?

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nocturnaut t1_ja6umrn wrote

This is the level of careful dismantling I love to see. This isn't even picking up pennies in front of a steamroller...more like bending over and showing the fruit basket to a guy driving a steamroller. Good thing that strike doesn't exist as you pointed out.

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golfdude1971 t1_ja4e370 wrote

I have portfolio margin so margin required is $4,140 and not $840,000. Portfolio margin works very different than regular margin.

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bretskigretzky t1_ja4e944 wrote

I use 840,000 as an indicator of risk - you’d hate to be assigned that.

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manishmehta71 OP t1_ja6k2gc wrote

TLT is one of the 600 tickers you can trade. I have same kind of data for SPX since 1962 when SPX started trading. I think 60 years covers all kinds of markets. I have had extremely good success with SPX using this strategy.

You are right that individual tickers, ETFs will have more risk than indices. For TLT never lost since 2002 equates to 1 in 5,040 chance and for SPX never lost since 1962 equates to 1 in 1 in 15,120 chance.

Plus this strategy is for short term trading only. 40 expiry days or less. It is not for short term trends or investing. So bear or bull markets are less important but daily volatility is.

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bretskigretzky t1_ja6pb7g wrote

60 years and multiple interest rate regimes will spit out nonsense. Way to train your ML with a scope as broad as your balls - you gotta have stones to take on unpaid risk like that and say that the past is a predictor of the future.

God speed

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golfdude1971 t1_ja6re4y wrote

On the contrary 60 years will spit out the most conservative scenario. More history equates to more worst case scenarios.

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9tacos t1_ja314n4 wrote

It’s gonna blast thru that strike downward img

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Rameist2 t1_ja3c6mw wrote

I’m intrigued… but need it explained like I’m the dumbest person who ever managed to get an MBA…

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tehs1mps0ns t1_ja3kjlp wrote

RemindMe! April 21 2023 4pm "never ever happened since inception. never. never will."

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