Submitted by mlamping t3_10plgfa in wallstreetbets
I fucking just used the Mercedes and:
🤣 What a fucking joke… all these Tesla haters posted that it’s amazing because of some news report about Mercedes reaching a supposed “level 3”
It’s horrible! No way close to Tesla
That's a $15K option.
Ok, Elon. Boys it is confirmed he walks among us.
JOKE
Ok, Elon.
The new “ok boomer”
1-3 are all false. I've had 2 Mercedes with this feature and for certain know that none of these are even remotely correct.
What's the difference between the Mercedes you had versus the one he drove? Or, do you think he's just making shit up?
He’s not making it up. If any of you all read the articles about Level 3 all of this has been openly reported
My only guess is he’s driving a level 3 prototype in Europe. It’s not available in the USA yet. But considering this feature (not level 3) has been available in almost every USA model Mercedes for many years now, this isn’t a fair comparison at all. I also have a hard time believing the prototype would have these limitations.
Edit: A press release says the new Mercedes system only does 40mph, so yes it’s the new level 3 system. That does suck, but clearly only designed for city driving.
>Tesla is the best company ever and anyone who says otherwise is a fucking idiot.
I like DeLorean, you can travel to the past and make your life worse
My man (or my ai)
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I disagree. Why would they force NDAs so customers can’t report defects or safety issues 🙄? Best company ever 🤦🏻♀️. It takes several weeks to months just to change a windshield
Definitely not.
Sorry you had to wait. I made an appointment and 3 days later they installed my new windshield.
Not me. I won’t waste money on an over hyped car. My friend had to wait and she had a broken windshield a number of times and several flat tires. Each repair was very slow.
OP "just used the mercedes". Trust him with your life savings. I only care about facts and rank 3 is one level above rank 2. Looks like Mercedes beat Tesla on this, oh and also on the range which you probably noticed while "just using" it.
Yeah has nothing to do with the fact he’s balls deep in Tesla calls.
MB literally invented the car. They developed virtually every significant safety feature in the industry (ABS, crumple zones, traction control etc) and allowed anybody to use their patents. I think they know more about safety then Felon Musk.
Hello, Volvo?
Three point seat belt
rearward facing child seat
booster seat
side impact protection systems (SIPS)
WHiplash protection
inflatable curtain
rollover protection
blind spot
emergency braking - several claim this
Hello GM?
Just be in a truck bigger than the people in cars.
Unfortunately everybody copied the idea.
hello volvo? make some better cars, all their cars, suvs, looks boring !
Yet tesla still makes a safer car…
Even Volvo scores better the Benz in saftey in most cases
How is it with running over kids?
Tesla is about to get Merc'ed!!!!
But there’s no Merc Benz Jabroni claiming…
Where did you test it?
He didn't. He's poor
If Elon musk wasn’t such a full of shit hype boy autist cunt muscle no one would care. But he is so the fact that none of his shit actually works as he promises and he can’t deliver anything on time. The cyber truck is never getting made. You can’t build a consumer car that is bullet proof with unbreakable glass. On complete regards are still hyping this shit company. Source : owned a Tesla, sold for a profit.
Out of curiosity, what do you think the new Giga Presses are for, if not Cybertruck?
It is not to make a stainless steel vehicle with no crumple zones that will murder both its occupants and anything unlucky enough to be in its way when it’s broke ass “autopilot” decides to go kill mode.
Maybe this is why the cyber truck has blown its deadline so massively. Some poor fuck finally told Elon that nothing about the cyber truck is actually going to happen the way he wants it to.
Pressing nipples
But did it catch fire
Still waiting for laser wipers
You cant have fsd with single modality sensors. Elong is not a technologist but he likes to pretend to be one. No one is talking about the gigantic liability TSLA will have on their books once it becomes clear that autonomy isn't.possible without multiple sensor modalities and that all those cars they sold with pre paid fsd are no better that Chevy's super cruise, and will never be.
Elon isnt but lemme guess, you, a nobody on reddit, are the authority to say what is needed for self driving? Get over yourself
Just look at literally anyone else who is trying to solve the fsd problem and tell me if they're exclusively using cameras. It's not just me saying it. The absolute fanaticism for Tesla really blinds people to the fact that not every incredibly brilliant individual works for Tesla. And btw, I am not including myself as an incredibly brilliant individual.
Tell me one company who has access to the sheer amount of data required to pull off Tesla’s approach. There is a reason no one is even attempting to brute force their way to autonomy like tesla is… its a complete lack of training data
No, it’s that all the tech they built in 2008 to do it is outdated and they have to continue because they spent billions on lidars and other expensive sensors.
How I know? I know ppl at some of these top fsd contenders. Using LiDAR or camera to sense the world are so close in efficiency that the cost for LiDAR etc is stupid. That’s why many LiDAR based fsd companies are old and the new ones are all camera based.
LiDAR main advantage was distance and range sensing. 5 cameras, and video stitching along with the software solved that 5 years ago. Hence why the talk of fusion multiple sensor types together is stupid. You can do range and distance with cameras pretty well
i thought he was going to put a mix of lidar and cameras... for the moments the camera cant pick up the lidar can.
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edit: stated older models wont get fsd due to this.
No company has as much data as Tesla, and yet, fsd is still not working... I'm sure it will soon though, any day. It's definitely not the sensor hill they decided to die on.
They started really collecting data 2 years ago with 2000 beta testers. They collected 90 million miles by the end of the second year. Thats pretty damn epic and the improvements have been impressive. But fsd won’t be anywhere near perfect till they hit billions of miles. I think elon has been quoted as needing 6 billion miles and i wouldnt be surprised if it’s more… with 400k beta testers, we are years away. It will be gradual and iterative but the point is, it’s a matter of time. Is fsd anywhere near perfect? Hell no. Is the improvement progressing as needed to solve fsd within the next decade? Hell yes
No, it’s that all the tech they built in 2008 to do it is outdated and they have to continue because they spent billions on lidars and other expensive sensors.
How I know? I know ppl at some of these top fsd contenders. Using LiDAR or camera to sense the world are so close in efficiency that the cost for LiDAR etc is stupid. That’s why many LiDAR based fsd companies are old and the new ones are all camera based.
LiDAR main advantage was distance and range sensing. 5 cameras, and video stocking along with the software solved that 5 years ago. Hence why the talk of fusion multiple sensor types together is stupid. You can do range and distance with cameras pretty well
Exactly, dude came on here saying “single modality sensors”. As if humans that are deaf can’t drive with just their eyes. Humans have been doing it with 2 cameras for a century (2 eyes).
He probably works at a startup as an intern or junior ai engineer.
Tesla sticthes like 5 cameras. The problem isn’t object detection, or localization it’s decision making (path finding and planning) to get from A to B that is the hard part.
He has no clue
A human brain literally has >10 orders of magnitude more processing power than an 'autonomous' vehicle.
Anybody who thinks FSD is is just a matter of more data and lines of code is a fucking idiot.
There is no way he is a junior ai engineer. There is no way he is a ai engineer period
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I think you’re an idiot.
The best ai minds (Andrew ng, Andrej kaparthy, bunch of open ai engineers I know) all have Teslas and all believe Tesla is poised to solve full self driving first.
“Single modality” 🤣 F off, stop trying to talk like you know any of this. Sensing is done, and is already agreed upon in the industry, cameras aren’t the problem. Decision making is the problem, ie neural nets and if you had a Tesla and the latest beta, you’d know they’re fucking close
I hate it when people try to act as if they know anything
It's 100% a sensing problem. I work in the industry. But I guess no use arguing with a fanboy who thinks "single modality" is an outlandish term but unironically says "neural nets"
I'm sorry Elon took you for your pre paid fsd.
Disclaimer: I hold no positions, short or long, in that dumpster fire of a company.
If we battled credentials, I’d bet you wouldn’t hold a candle to me.
But I digress. “Single modality” sounds like 2008 wants their machine learning and hand crafted features selection. Assuming you meant the use of different types of senors. Because Tesla neural network stack is a multi modal, multi task, multi net. But I’m assuming you know that already because “you work in the industry”.
We both here, so we’re both regards, so to anyone reading this wondering who is right, google Andrej kaparthy or any ai expert like lex Friedman.
And don’t believe idiots like above
Well autonomous driving and computer vision are literally what I get paid to do every day... And weird you keep flexing other people's achievements...
It's not a matter of machine learning, the world mapping required for fsd is simply not possible with 2d pixel maps. It doesn't matter what algorithms or AI you have, the data you are feeding it is inherently not enough. Both waymo and cruise realized the gigantic blindspot of cameras a long time ago, are you really going to deny they are the leaders in autonomy?
Anyway, you keep at it bud, I'm sure Elon will reward the most loyal of his cultists when he inevitably takes over with his army of Tesla robots. Oh wait, those were a fucking fraud too.
2d pixel maps?
What are you even talking about? Tesla does video stitching of multiple cameras, 3d video into the neural net. You don’t even know what your talking about.
They’re close to end to end models and have the training data for training this, which will be their next release. Including path finding in the neural net versus A* search, which every self driving startup is doing
You still in 2d images doing classification, I learned that shit in 2012. Catch-up. Object detection is near 99.999% hence why your original comments show how out of touch you are, or that you really don’t know what you’re saying
Oh boy... You've listened to a few too many podcast and clearly don't understand the state of the art in sensors and sensor fusion. Good luck bud.
If you believe sensing is still a problem in self driving and it’s not the decision making, like I said, you need good-luck.
How is anything I said a podcast? What podcast talks about this stuff?
Again to ppl reading this, all you have to do is search the current ai leaders and see what they say. That’s it. Or read papers that are freely open on the internet of current ideas
Don’t believe this FUD. He probably has puts.
Also don’t believe me either, all this information is freely available.
I believe you. That dude sounds outdated. I believe decision making is the problem for fsd currently.
Hmm… what do you do exactly? Got a link to your github?
Not trying to dox myself. My primary focus is on calibration for sensor fusion.
I mean with that description, you could be a 15 dollar an hr tech. What experience do you have with machine learning? What experience do you have with modeling and training?
No, actually I'm just the janitor at the kombucha bar that the engineers frequent. But I overheard them say that Elon bad so here I am.
Haha nice one
Ha.. im genuinely curious as to the work he has done to be such an authority
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Did ever come to your mind that some people are smarter than paying 15k for to get extra suicidal mode? Not all companies lying and ripping their costumers off?? Or costumers, paying 15k to play a Tesla testing ape?
If you were really driving EQS and would have an objective opinion, you would now criticize the build and comfort crap of the Tesla right now! That is, if you are not actually one of those Tesla apes, daily masturbating on the Elon his pics and Twitter posts...
What so you can fall asleep at the wheel like all these other morons?
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No, but the front fell off.
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teslas are far from being fsd, but the reality is they are still 10 years ahead of everyone else.
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Mercedes and Mercedes. Not the same.
I got in with my triple froth carmel latte. I draped the seatbelt carefully over my suit, buckling the heavy metal clasp and placing my hands on the leather wheel. As I began driving, I decided to initiate the full self driving of Mercedes. As the machine took over, I took a swig of my latte. Three seconds into my full self driving experience, the car reached a critical error and I spit my latte all over the interior in laughter.
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Anyone know if the dealership will charge me??
But then Merc fsd haven’t killed people yet
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Imagine your broke ass being such an elon cock sucking fan boy that you go on a FINANCE forum to lie about another car company. Absolute fucking loser
Tesla is years ahead in tech, safety & design. Mercedes stuck w legacy-based dash design & impractical tech for now unfortunately. Think they rushed in to compete (like most legacy brands) w functionality & redesign as an afterthought—just so they could use materials they already had. Will be a while bf they catch up. It’s a joke people are even trying to make a comparison imho. Agree luxury trim out is better on Mercedes., thats their niche.
Anyone using self driving is too stupid to be out in public.
Every Tesla I’ve been in has been pretty awesome.
The people who say otherwise are just pissy about political nonsense.
And their puts going to 0
Mercedes sucks ass dude. Trust me, I own one. Fucking over priced prices of shit.
I work in this field in europe and know that tesla and waymo are years ahead, not just in thinking but in attitude, business case and ambition. People have no fkin clue and undererstimate what is possible already with a geographically limited AV technology.
Yeah the difference is Mercedes has been winning F1 races for a long long time. Tesla sells cars to people that lick avocado flavored door knobs. The majority of the public don't want electric cars.
Just uneducated rednecks. That’s a small minority, not majority
Rednecks are pretty smart. And ask hertz how that whole Tesla thing is working out lol.
Looks like pretty well. Hertz went from potential bankruptcy to all time profits after evs purchase.
https://insideevs.com/news/631612/hertz-added-electric-cars-profits-boomed/amp/
The profits were from selling their regular fleet at the highest part of the used car market not renting cars that take 10 hours to charge with basically zero infrastructure to do so in their airport facilities and like 1/30th the presence outside the airport compared to their competitor. They have about 300k cars their biggest competitor has about 1.25 million cars and close to zero of those are Teslas lol.
You got serious small penis ego. Literally making shit up as you go along, it is amusing.
Elon fanboy spotted. Another dude that would blow him for more shares instead of looking at reality. How is the used Tesla value holding up these days once they hit 5 years old lol? The model X I had dropped like a fucking rock with a lead weight glued to it.
Haha you’re actually hilarious. How’s the value of your f-150? The one that dropped 20k off the lot. You’re downvoted on every post because you spill misinformation for your puts.
I have no puts, and I don't have a F-150 but if I did have a F-150 lightning I'd be flipping it on BAT for a $20k profit because at least ford and several other manufacturers released an electric truck unlike Tesla will until 2024 minimum lol. God help them if they get hit by a hail storm you won't be PDR'ing the cyber truck and you can't buy parts for a Tesla unless you pay the dealer the service center ransom.
Again that makes no sense. Do you not realize entire auto market is -10% YOY, Tesla grew +44% YOY. You’re full regarded with your non sense. Used car auto market hit peaks in 2021, cars depreciate no matter what, whatever you rent or own is no exception to depreciating
That's not true. Case and point the 2020 GT350R has done nothing but go up in value as well as the new Hummer. Lots of other collectible cars go up and up. Tesla growing is based on what they say, you can do that when there are no independent dealers you can postpone or speed up your deliveries. People are broke and without the constant government incentives they wouldn't sell near as much.
It's funny how many crackhead fanboys came out of the woodwork as soon as they got one green bump after getting absolutely anally gapped down to $100 share. Elon made a horrible decision buying Twitter and if it doesn't stay above $100 a share he is in trouble.
Collectables? You’re comparing a tesla to a collector? Government has been subsidizing oil companies and ice vehicles for decades. They bailed out ford and gm. Now the dinosaur is being phased out, just like you.
Except everyone that has to drive further than 5 miles prefers an ICE vehicle along with absolutely everyone that uses a vehicle for business. When electric cars out number ICE and the US actually has an electrical infrastructure to support that (nowhere close) you be sure to let me know.
Where do you live in the fucking Amazon or under a rock. I’m in Canada and it has sustainable infrastructure, you too busy fucking your sister to notice
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Hummer and GT350R comparison makes you sound even stupider. Tesla produced 1.4M vehicles and both those vehicles are lucky to sell 20k combined. So niche
Good news is the GT350R range doesn't drop in half when it's cold outside lol
Yeah you’ll be lucky to start it in cold temperatures lol!! Can’t leave the driveway. Your arguments are petty
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Is that why South Korea fined them for not telling people about the massively reduced range when it's cold outside? My model X range dropped in half if it was raining and cold, and you know I actually had to drive a real commute. 10 hours to charge on more amperage than my entire HVAC system? How do you think that's good for the environment or supported by our wood pole electrical system from the 1950's?
Electric is useless unless you fix the range and charging. Hydrogen solves all that.
South Korea doesn’t understand 3rd grade science? Again I live in Canada it’s -31c right now, you act like you know shit you know nothing
Yeah I know you get crap range and you know it too. What a cry baby. Tesla and Elon can do no wrong with your soft ass can they rofl?
Range decreases, sure. I have an x3 as well and I couldn’t start it yesterday. I’m done roasting you. Get the aloe
Yeah okay hydrogen. Let’s emit water in cold temperature even better solution
Yeah you know this thing called pure drinking water the thing that a lot of people are running out of.
Also I don't remember having to give people tax credits to convince them to buy an ICE car lol.
There’s a reason why Tesla is #1 in the industry
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But did it switch lanes and cut someone off in fast moving traffic then stop completely and cause an 8 car pile up?