The perp will be out and stealing cars again this weekend.

This happened on a Tuesday kids most likely already out.

Crime especially committed by a minor has really gone off the rails this past year or so. What are these kids doing??? Seems like there needs to be increased social services and support or some solution. It’s gotten really out of hand

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But keep voting for Bowser just cuz it says “democrat”next to her name y’all. She’s the one not doing anything about this shit.

Honestly, she's the most "tough of crime" leader in DC government.

Yes, social services definitely will help.

Lock them up!

Vax mandate for Dc schools but less than half are vaxxed. I’m sure many don’t go to school nor get supervision and when in trouble nothing happens

Dc purposefully doesn’t prosecute city people for crimes and many Reddit posts say theyve been robbed or had their car stolen, they found an ID the prep drops and no charges or anything.

Imagine living there knowing you can be robbed and literally find a dropped ID of the robber and nothing will happen?

I considered voting for the Republican but look up her campaign site. It's literally nothing of substance. No plans, no direction. Seems like a decent person who needs way more experience before she's fit to be a mayor.

Maybe Republicans should stop descending into fascism at the national level if they want anyone to consider voting for them at any level? Iunno, just spit-balling.

That's such a low bar

Does the mayor have any power ultimately?

Everyone in the primary had Democrat next to their name.

Or worse!

waits to be called a racist

Srsly. I hate the environment we have right now about feeling safe in the streets but i know I'll definitely hate being persecuted by fascists and having a government dedicated to taking my basic human rights away because i'm the wrong color and religion more.

You realize that the Democratic primary is the important one here, right?

I'm assuming that was sarcasm, but currently in DC the direct social service programs for cases like this:

Alternatives to the Court Experience (ACE) Diversion Program*

Parent and Adolescent Support Services Intensive Case Management (PASS ICM)

Strengthening Teens Enriching Parents (STEP) Program*

Teen Parent Assessment Program (TPAP)

Youth Homeless Services

Functional Family Therapy (FFT) Team

PASS Crisis and Stabilization Team (PCAST)

The effectiveness and results produced by these programs aren't often discussed or even reported on.

The community and state are only two parts of the equation involved in kids being lawless and violent, their upbringing by their caregiver is an even larger piece to this puzzle than all other externalities combined, and yet I rarely ever hear of anyone discussing the huge role their households have as the direct influences on their lives. Anyone who has ever worked as a teacher or police officer knows what sort of home environment most lawless kids were raised in, and I spent twelve years as a LEO an my wife's been a teacher for twenty-six years, and almost without fail the kids I'd picked up and had constant contact with came from homes that were negative influences in almost if not every way possible. The kids who had more stable and supportive homes typically were being raised by older relatives, but it was unfortunately too late for their stable and responsible parenting to overcome what they'd already learned since birth. Kids had failed to be taught common decency, respect for themselves and others, and what it means to have values consistent with a functional society. Kids who are powerless at younger stages will attain power as they get older in ways that are violent and/or criminal. We see it most often in young boys who gain power through gangs/numbers/association, then the ante is upped with even more power with having guns, then robbing, then killing. Girls used to exhibit this phenomenon at much lesser rates, but lately this has changed and I see girls acting out in violent and lawless ways to gain power more and more frequently. I see in that list there are programs that would lead one to believe they would help, for instance, the FFT program in particular seems promising for future generations, but like I stated, I've never heard is spoken of or heard of anyone reporting stats on these programs except the ACE program, which last time I checked has glaringly poor results and nearly 100% recidivism, and in many cases there were unfortunate innocent people harmed in the wake, but sure do we like to report that 1% who succeed as if it's not also a reminder of the lack of efficacy of the output of such a program.

If we look at the family history of these kids we'll quickly note that they are the product of multiple failed generations, so it's going to take a lot of work, money, but nothing will work unless we're willing to be brutally honest and unafraid to objectively look at all areas of the lives of these kids instead of ignoring the issues that many appear to deem untouchable, most typically I suspect due to it oftentimes being known as career suicide for a politician. I volunteer in substance abuse recovery centers and of the tens of thousands of cases of individuals I've worked with I don't believe a single person was successful at staying clean and attaining any real sobriety if they didn't also change their home situation, because learned behavior and habits are too hard to overcome when times get tough no matter how much you know it's not good for anyone. Along those lines, the successes I've witnessed with violent kids almost always involved placement outside of their current situation, foster homes, relatives in different towns/cities where at least their home life was stable and positive.

I apologize for the long wall of text, just wanted to relate my experiences an assessment on what we're currently seeing.

I'm a moderate Dem and I have only ever voted that way since 1992, but I find it irrational to label Republicans as fascist, or semi-fascist, and ignorant, willfully or otherwise. I've tried understanding this argument but the premises are always so easily invalidated if we look at the whole of the facts. I'll name one example, the Roe decision, which by the way RBG would've agreed with the majority as she's stated numerous times she believed the Fourth didn't support. The Justices didn't say abortion should be illegal, they only decided the case law was faulty. Even I knew this was true back in the 80s when I was a kid marching against the "Moral Majority." But this is never even discussed amongst Dems, they refuse to be objective and look at the case law and instead promote a narrative that abortion was banned by the decision (it wasn't, it went back to the states and we need to bring a better case than privacy clause), and we also refuse to answer at what point life is created and therefor, abortion is akin to murder. I'm annoyed to no end by this omission of all of the facts in favor of the easy, low hanging fruit of crying "fascist" at those who abide by valid logic based on factual premises, and all of the premises, not just the ones that suit our desired ideological outcomes. But I digress, not looking for a political discussion here and won't be back to discuss because I have to get my kids to where they need to go. Have a great day.

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Because there’s no punishment for them

Basically just held for a few days then released

The Council can veto any policy she tries to enact. They denied increased funding for police, they try to push for defunding. Council ultimately has more power and needs to be held accountable.

If we look at the family history of these kids we'll quickly note that they are the product of multiple failed generations,

Yeah… a good way to visualize this for people is…

Alcoholism is not inherited… its the trauma that goes through generations. Not an addiction gene.

>The effectiveness and results produced by these programs aren't often discussed or even reported on.

they are clearly working!

Compared to those who ran against her in the primary, and many on the council, she is tough on crime.

If it gets bad enough Congress will revoke home rule and clean up the city because they won't want to have to be in such a place. It will happen within the next decade if the DC gov continues to promote decriminalizing everything and general lawlessness and give aways. Congress has the sole right to control the district as they see fit as written in the constitution.

Retrosession to MD and it would actually get cleaned up I suspect. Both MD and VA are far better run.

> but I find it irrational to label Republicans as fascist, or semi-fascist, and ignorant, willfully or otherwise.

Then you must've just woke up from a 7 year coma.

> I'll name one example, the Roe decision, which by the way RBG would've agreed with the majority as she's stated numerous times she believed the Fourth didn't support.

That issue was solved with Casey v Planned Parenthood, but I shouldn't be surprised you're ignorant on the facts here, too.

> The Justices didn't say abortion should be illegal, they only decided the case law was faulty.

No, they decided to blatantly ignore precedent for partisan objectives.

The Supreme Court case is not why they are “semi-fascist”.

It’s the authoritarianism and the “strong man” leader, the insurrection, the coup attempt, and constant attacks on democratic institutions.

I really appreciate your experience and what you wrote.

I’m by no means an expert or professional regarding social issues, especially children. But I am a data analyst and I think you make a really important point that I’ve never heard discussed (probably intentionally) that there is no data proving effectiveness.

That is crazy, why are we supporting programs that we don’t know work or we know actually don’t work??? I mean aside the obvious political reason

Addiction is genetic. Both factors combine to double whammy kids

> Retrosession to MD and it would actually get cleaned up

Baltimore exists

we have the best kids in DC, don't we?

Baltimore is not wealthy and does not have the tax base to draw on. Apples and oranges. Bethesda exists. Do you think DC looks more like Baltimore a post industrial city or Bethesda? Full of lawyers and doctors.

On a Tuesday this 14 year old was supposed to be in school.

I was at ANC meeting where we were told 24 year olds are considered youth . Because it has been shown that the brain isn't fully developed until age 25.

I doubt they put them in a juvenile jail . I've heard of putting juveniles in an adult jail but not the opposite

Yup. There is virtually no accountability for crimes committed in DC and the animals that commit these horrible crimes against people like this mother and the kind woman on the bus that was beaten and thrown off by a group of violent kids know they will suffer no consequences for their crimes.

preach

Unfortunately increase in social services and support does not work with Juvinile’s, you can’t force people to change that don’t want too, and while it sounds good how is the juvinile getting to where they need to go, who is going to force them to stay on track? Juvinile’s tend to not have the ability to think of the future an older person does. Throw on top that their is no fear of punishment leads these Juvinile’s to continue to be bold.

Nah. Y'all can keep those opinions to yourself.

Wait, victim watches car start to pull off, tries to get baby out of car, then still somehow manages to tail her stolen car by way of another vehicle? That’s some mama-bear adrenaline for reals.

Didn't hear about the woman on bus. But a few young kids beating an older guy.

How about we don't refer to people as "animals?" People who commit crimes are still people so unless you're looking for capital punishment for these crimes, dehumanizing language is unnecessary.

Was wondering who felt the need to make this virtual signaling comment then saw you unironically defending Stalin in a different comment

I guess it is derogatory to animals to refer to these fucks that way.....animals are usually nicer to their own species. These fucks committing these horrible crimes are a liability to society. Perhaps you would feel differently if that was your baby in the back seat of the car that was crashed by the trash that committed this crime....but if anyone acts less than human and has no regard for the life of someone else's helpless infant as they crash the car they stole, then it's not really dehumanizing language since they're not really behaving like humans....are they?

Nope, they aren’t civilized which means they are just behaving like animals. Which they are, biologically speaking.

sounds like these kids need to be punished, dont treat them like children when they are making adult decisions and conducting heinous crimes.

Jesus Christ, dude.....

Jesus Christ, dude.....

That's a lot of what isn't working. What's the program you wish there was, then?

Does it not go on a record or do they just not care? I was a young hoodlum in the city but I never did anything that would involve cops because I wanted to get a job one day

They said the precedent was incorrectly decided. Just because something is precedent, doesn’t mean that it gets automatic deference all the time.

Precedent is overturned constantly if you paid attention.

In other words: "I'm happy that my side won, and I don't give a shit about the legal gymnastics that went into it."

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Imagine living in Virginia

> I mean aside the obvious political reason

You answered your own question

In DC, yes

Bowser is the toughest-on-crime politician DC will ever elect. The problem is all the Charles Allens and Brianne Nadeaus and Elissa Silvermans on the council

Could also be that a 14 year old doesn’t know how tf to drive a car, and it’s harder than it looks in video games and movies.

>Retrosession to MD and it would actually get cleaned up I suspect. Both MD and VA are far better run.

DC could implement Maryland's requirement requiring older juveniles to be tried as adults for almost any violent felony. They won't, but they could.

Oh well that didn’t matter. Juvenile records are sealed and then destroyed. Nothing you did as a child would have any impact on your adult job prospects. Obviously that isn’t information they advertise to minors.

Also, the kind of kids stealing cars with babies in the back aren’t the kinds of kids worried about college and job prospects. They don’t have two loving parents at home who will be shocked and appalled at their behavior. They have zero social pressure to be a decent person so they act like this. Lock up the parents or other responsible adults and ship the little idiots off to military school. Problem solved.

Lolwut. How do you manage to twist what I said into that? Some messed up logic (or lack thereof).

I mean... No one else talking about race here but you so... Racist.

Some people you just gotta give them what they want.

All humans are literally animals.

I went to a military school and those guys don’t need to be there. People think it will “beat you into shape” but it just makes you hate authorities with a passion. They need something,I just don’t know what it is

A family member’s car was stolen on Georgia & Butternut a couple of months back. In talking with the LEO to file the report, the LEO mentioned to me that these youth who are carjacking are highly organized and they’re usually getting the order from and adult or an older teenager because they know that the juvenile justice system is rather light on juveniles. It is the same concept of a drug dealer using children to peddle dope in the community because they know the charges will be light on the child. I think LE needs to really investigate these cases through an organized crime framework.

r/oddlyspecific

Most likely, but I much prefer the Liam Neeson as Mama Bear angle.

Lock him up and put him to work.

Like make it commensurate with the crime right, I'm not saying lock him up for life, or just stick him in a hole somewhere, or make the punishment brutal. But he's a dangerous menace to the rest of us, and just thinking that kids will be kids, or hoping that he'll turn out to become a productive citizen if we just blame society more, isn't going to do anything positive.

He, and many like him, need to be forced into a structure, need to be forced into a productive mode where he can hopefully learn the lessons his parents have failed to provide him. That's it, that's his second chance.

I pity people who mess with kids and the kids mom gets her hands on them. That's a dangerous flavor of rage.

A girl did this.