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DC8008008 t1_iy92vyo wrote

Or they could just ban cars. That design looks like absolute shit. And I bike there regularly.


cptjeff t1_iy93lap wrote

Have you noticed how many black families drive down there for massive family cookouts in the summer? You gonna haul all those tents and grills down on a bike? You wanna compare the number and demographics of the people having picnics down there with the number and demographics of the people in your pack of bikes?

The world is not a playground just for you and your bike. Grow the fuck up.


DC8008008 t1_iy9duag wrote

And since you're the one that brought up race, the 2 pedestrians who were murdered last year by a car in the park were black. Yet when I simply said "ban cars" you went immediately to "only white people on bikes" will be allowed in the park. Air-tight logic on that one!


firewarner t1_iy9gfk9 wrote

How the bike lane/infrastructure debate has become a proxy battle for race division is some of the craziest, nonsensical shit I've learned living in DC


cptjeff t1_iy9hxkx wrote

I'm 100% in favor of the bike lane. It makes things safer for everybody. I was responding to the proposal to ban cars- which would very effectively force out a large base of black and hispanic park users who drive there for large picnics.

Different people use the parks in different ways. That's great, and should be celebrated and protected. But the bikers are the whitest and wealthiest group apart from the golf crowd, and the picnic crowd is the poorest and blackest. If you ban cars, you're effectively forcing the picnickers out of the park. And you don't see how that's problematic?


DC8008008 t1_iy9ubwk wrote

>I'm 100% in favor of the bike lane. It makes things safer for everybody.

Cars are the problem in the park. Cars are what killed 2 pedestrians last year. This paint on the road does nothing to solve the problem.


cptjeff t1_iy9v02k wrote

The fundamental problem is that you cannot get rid of cars without forcing out a huge portion of the park's users who use it for things you need a car to use it for. And that group of users is poorer and blacker than the race bike crowd, by a lot.

Shockingly, the NPS has to balance the needs of different groups of park users in ways that best serve the needs of all users, not just one group of them. You want the park to only serve people like you, which is why you are a selfish and somewhat racist git.


DC8008008 t1_iya1v50 wrote

Again, you're fixated on white cyclists for some reason. But if you ever spent time in the park you will see people of all races cycling and walking around the park. How dare they want to do that safely!

And last I checked owning a car is a lot more expensive than owning a pair of tennis shoes or a bike.


CaptainObvious110 t1_iydspnb wrote

Yes it is and that's a reason I am glad to not just have one bike but two of them. I went to the bike shop saw one for what I felt was a decent price when they were scarce and got it. It's mine no insurance, no car note just paid the $500 or so dollars and I instantly have a means of transportation.

This proved to be a game changer because I no longer had to ride the bus and deal with people's shenanigans there. Nor did I have to wait for a bus again I could just take my bike out and do what I needed to do.

During Covid that proved to be even more important as I could avoid people a lot and go out to the National Arboretum and be somewhere I could just relax.

A few months later I got a folding bicycle to make traveling with a bicycle even more convenient.

Again. No car note paid less than $1,000 for both bikes which is a lot less than people are going to even spend on a car in the first place. Don't have to worry about gas either.

You can get an electric bike for $1,000 or even a cargo bike for more but no matter what of those options you take you would save money on a car.

Shoot buy a bike for each family member and you still save a truck load of money


cptjeff t1_iyapb6v wrote

I raise it because this is one of those "structural racism" things the kids talk about.

Yes, the cyclists are a pretty racially diverse group. It's great. But it's a far whiter crowd than the picnickers, who are nearly 100% minority, so forcing the picnickers out would have a disproportionately harmful impact on minority groups.

And while bikes are on average cheaper than cars, the car is a necessary tool for most people, while every bike I see down there is ridden for fun, not for practical transportation. They're $5000+ toys. It's also worth noting that housing close enough to the core to bike to everything is far, far more expensive than the difference between car ownership or not. Recreational cyclists, especially the captial C Cyclists, are a wealthy bunch, no two ways about it.

The fact that you need this stuff explained to you is pretty disturbing, TBH. Did you crash without a helmet one too many times?


DC8008008 t1_iyatyl0 wrote

Can you read? This isn't just about cyclists. A large number of pedestrians use the park. They would benefit if we closed off part of it to cars.


cptjeff t1_iyav08h wrote

The pedestrians arrive in cars. So no, they wouldn't.

Hanes Point is an isolated location that is pretty much entirely inaccessible without some sort of personal vehicle. If you ban cars, you are forcing everybody who is not willing or able to bike there out, aka everyone who doesn't use the park exactly like you do. It's not all about you. Learn to fucking share.


DC8008008 t1_iyavpkk wrote

Hey dipshit, there would be parking available on the perimeter of the park.


cptjeff t1_iyawti7 wrote

Define perimeter of the park. Because the way I see it, that's exactly how it's configured now. A road around the perimeter with small lots and curb parking.

Do you mean parking on Buckeye Dr, a mile and a half away from the main picnic area, a mile and a half for people to drag their grills, coolers and large tents?

Face it bro, banning cars in the park is stupid and racially discriminatory. Stop digging. The only thing banning cars does is help cyclists. It hurts all other users.


CaptainObvious110 t1_iydu4yo wrote

Say that to the people who refuse to drive their motor vehicles in a responsible way. Why is that so hard to do?

Why can't they get off of their phones and pay attention to what they are doing and if they lack the ability to do that then they don't need to be in command of a vehicle that weighs thousands of pounds.


cptjeff t1_iyed5i5 wrote

> Say that to the people who refuse to drive their motor vehicles in a responsible way. Why is that so hard to do?

I do do that. But at Hanes Point, I've flat out never seen somebody driving dangerously. People I've seen there drive slowly and cautiously and then park and go about what they're doing in the park. Obviously it happens, but most drivers behave themselves.

And drivers can't share in a responsible way if they're banned. You realize this thread is about a moron talking about banning cars entirely, not sharing, right?


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cptjeff t1_iybrmxo wrote

You do realize you can buy working cars for just $2000 or so, right?


CaptainObvious110 t1_iydtr76 wrote

How far would they have to go to do their cookouts if cars were banned?

As far as bikes being $5,000 that doesn't represent the normal folks that are on their bikes every day. Both of my bicycles combined were about $1,000. Paid in full at the time of purchase

I use my bike for recreation, yes and that's not a sin. But to be honest, I do food delivery on it, get my groceries with it bring laundry to the laundry mat. Virtually every thing I need to do or want to do is on a bicycle.

Need to carry extra passengers there are bikes for that kids? There are bikes for that.


cptjeff t1_iyedr4j wrote

> How far would they have to go to do their cookouts if cars were banned?

If you banned cars from the Ohio loop and forced them to park on Buckeye, a mile and a half. From the golf lot, about a mile. It's not a short loop. That is a very long way to walk lugging heavy coolers and whatnot.

> Virtually every thing I need to do or want to do is on a bicycle.

And you think that that even remotely applies or should apply to everybody, you are monumentally delusional and self centered. Not everybody lives like you or is interested in the things you're interested in. Some of them are interested in things you're not interested in, like big family barbecues in a park, moving items over 30 pounds for more than 100 feet, or having access to park space while being disabled. I get that this proposal would benefit you. I don't fucking care. It would hurt a lot of people who aren't you. Each of them has equal right to use the park.

All I'm saying is that you need to realize that a public space like Hanes Point has a variety of users with a variety of needs. Banning cars would force out a huge number of users. It's a disgustingly exclusionary proposal that only somebody who flat out resented the existence of people in any way different from them could make. So, your average capital C Cyclist, I suppose.


cptjeff t1_iy9gv62 wrote

I'm not saying only white people would be allowed. I'm just saying that your proposal would force at least half of the park's users out to benefit a far wealthier, whiter, and more privileged group of users.

But that's okay with you, because black people use the park in ways that are different than the ways you use the park, so you think they don't matter.


Nikkers1416 t1_iy9p4uy wrote

So with one option you have families who'd have to park in the parking lots (that are already there) and walk a little further to their picnic spots with the Ohio loop closed to cars. And with the other, you have people (of all races) literally dying. Okay, yeah though toss up for sure.

It was blocked to cars through much of the COVID lockdown and I saw plenty of people having cookouts.


cptjeff t1_iy9rpn0 wrote

> It was blocked to cars through much of the COVID lockdown

...And that one is just a flat out lie.


cptjeff t1_iyaxjus wrote

Three months at the very beginning of covid when they shut down the entire tidal basin area to nearly everyone, not 'much of the entire covid lockdown'. In comparison to all of covid, that shutdown was incredibly brief. I spent quite a lot of the summer and fall of 2020 sitting out there when I had a badly sprained ankle and needed nice outdoor settings I could easily drive to. There was never a closure like Beach Drive to encourage more recreational use, the only closure was intended to (and did) shut down nearly all use.


veloharris t1_iyavdbd wrote

It was never blocked to cars because of COVID. It's blocked during cherry blossom season, maybe you went then and thought it was COVID?


C0333 t1_iy9ujf0 wrote

Most DC Reddit people live in a little bubble where everybody just needs to adapt to their utopia of walking to buy all your groceries.


CaptainObvious110 t1_iydrk40 wrote

I've done it for years. Or caught the bus or used my bicycle. I dare say that most people can do the same thing.


C0333 t1_iye2ln6 wrote

Right on cue comes the self righteous comment. Good for you, now don’t worry how I live my life. Deal?


CaptainObvious110 t1_iye93uu wrote

Based on that reasoning you wouldn't have commented on this issue at all.


C0333 t1_iyeewi3 wrote

Kindly fuck off. Thank you


CaptainObvious110 t1_iyep10q wrote

Someone has a real attitude problem. Maybe you should go outside and take a walk or maybe enjoy a relaxing ride o me a bicycle.


campbeer t1_iy97gr4 wrote

The world is not a playground for you and your cars. Grow the fuck up.


DC8008008 t1_iy94ydg wrote

Banning cars doesn't mean exclusive bike use. Take your car brain and get lost.


cptjeff t1_iy9g9xu wrote

Okay, so are the families that have been having summer picnics for generations supposed to walk their tents and grills down from the nearest metro stop about 2 miles away? Banning cars from an area that can't easily be reached without one (even a large percentage of bikers drive there) is, in fact, a proposal for exclusive or near exclusive bike use.

You're a selfish git and it shows.


KoolDiscoDan t1_iy9lkil wrote

After everyone else 'Grow(s) the fuck up'. I'd suggest you learn about benevolent ableism.

Newsflash: Black folks are just as capable as any family to do some walking if they want to use it.


CaptainObvious110 t1_iydrcky wrote

I'm black and a native Washingtonian who absolutely agrees with you.


KoolDiscoDan t1_iye8tk3 wrote

You can also tell he's never been across the Anacostia River. Anacostia Park is probably 50x larger than Hains Point AND it has a roller rink.

Hains Point is nice as a loop if you run, bike, or fish. But I'd take Anacostia for a picnic.


CaptainObvious110 t1_iye9lx5 wrote

Very true. I've ridden my bike all along Anacostia Park and saw plenty of food with their picnics.


cptjeff t1_iyf71wd wrote

I live EotR, bro. Note the Marshall Heights flair? And I'm not talking about where I would picnic, I'm saying that's where a lot of people do picnic. Anacostia park is beautiful and I bike the ART multiple times a week during good weather (remember when we used to have daylight?) But if you go to Hanes Point, there are a huge number of people who picnic there, and have been picnicking there for years. Are you going to tell them that they can't, and that they should stick to their own park on the other side of the river?


floppydisk1995 t1_iy956mb wrote

the same groups of people that park illegally on grass and leave behind mounds of trash? oh no what will we do without them at the park.


veloharris t1_iy9apg3 wrote

Wtf? There are many park users who follow the rules and have been using the park for generations.


floppydisk1995 t1_iyady52 wrote

do ever spend time there on a weekend afternoon when it's nice out? People are drinking (not allowed), smoking weed (not allowed), parking on grass or in the traveling lane (not allowed) and many people litter (not allowed). If you want to tailgate go to FedEx Field or something.