I mean what conversation is there even to be had at this point? It seems like every talking point has been exhausted. I don't personally have all the answers, I don't know what the best thing to do is. I think we can certainly do better than the status quo but I'm particularly unconvinced that we can incarcerate our way into less crime. Ultimately from my perspective as someone who has been a victim of crime, I don't want their lives ruined over it but I also don't want them to do it or any other crimes again and I don't know what the solution is, but I don't think locking them up for the next 20 years solves the issue either.