CriticalStrawberry t1_iz3i8y0 wrote
Everytime us "crazy radical cyclists" try to say stuff like this with actual numbers, data, and studies to back it up, we get told off about how we don't know anything and just want cars and drivers to burn.
There's a field of study called urban planning and traffic engineering. It's real science, and shocker, it works in practice. Counterintuitively, reducing lanes and reducing lane width in addition to making other modes of transport more hospitable actually improves traffic in most cases.
Snark and pent up frustration aside, glad to have you on our side OP. Now continue down the rabbit hole of an urban planning and city design youtube channel like "Not Just Bikes" and take the orange pill. You'll be a full blown advocate in a matter of weeks.
Stimpy3901 t1_iz6ghh8 wrote
Just one more lane bro, I swear that will fix traffic! Just let me build one more lane!
Quelcris_Falconer13 t1_iz6ppun wrote
It’s not that we don’t believe you it’s that there’s always 50 more of you screaming your fackin’ heads off “BAN ALL CARS” and “FUCK CARS” and “cars aren’t necessary for modern life” and it just makes y’all look like a bunch of nurjibs incapable of compromise
Fulano_MK1 t1_izayeti wrote
> It’s not that we don’t believe you it’s that there’s always 50 more of you screaming your fackin’ heads off “BAN ALL CARS” and “FUCK CARS” and “cars aren’t necessary for modern life” and it just makes y’all look like a bunch of nurjibs incapable of compromise
You're taking a systemic criticism personally, as if you're a car. You're not a car, you're a driver, and nobody would ever consider banning drivers from places. We just advocate for limiting your stupid fucking car. :D
The bikers and the walkers and the bus-riders and the metro-riders have been asked to "find another way" and make compromises within their own lives to accommodate the shit-for-brains car-driver who drives into the city every day. I cram onto a bus to work everyday that's held up because 300,000 people insist on driving themselves to work every day in their own car. I stop at intersections, wait for the crosswalk to turn, and then wait some more to ensure that those impatient car-driving assholes who aren't looking for me, who need to make that right-turn-on-red or left-on-green-before-the-other-lane-gets-into-the-intersection don't run me over. Or I cross the street to avoid the dangerous part of the crosswalk that allows people to cross while cars are also allowed to enter the street. I walk 20 minutes to my nearest metro stop if I take the metro in the morning. I slam on my brakes at every intersection as I ride my bike up and down 15th NW because cars decide to pull out in front of me. I stop and wait at a green light on NJ and Q St NW so that cars waiting to turn right won't run me over in the bike lane they can't see. I live in the city so that I won't have to commute, and if I lived outside the city I'd live near a metro or bus stop. When I lived in Leesburg, I rode the commuter bus for an hour each way, but it felt like that bus was commuting through a sea of angry drivers, something I can't imagine doing every day. I live in a time where cemeteries are filled with people who have been killed by cars - how many cars and car-drivers have been killed by a walker or bike rider or bus-sitter colliding with the car in traffic?
I've changed my whole fucking life to accommodate cars and people driving cars.
The sad thing is that you've probably gotten 5 downvotes and 5 or fewer people responding to you about cars and it's so enraged you that you can, in your mind, exaggerate it to 50 responses from 50 people, and it "feels" right because your personality and lifestyle is so wrapped up in being able to drive a car. Nobody has ever done anything to you that would require you to change your lifestyle - at most you've lost a few extra minutes in commuting that you weren't entitled to anyways. The modern lifestyle has been totally warped by the unnatural and destructive privilege of being able to travel as fast as you want in your own personal vehicle, unconstrained by the costs of biological energy or muscle or distance or time. I think most people who advocate against cars today would agree that you, the car driver, have been ceded too much ground in this world.
Yithar t1_izbg1bw wrote
Nobody is saying to ban cars, just to limit them.
And it's a literal fact that adding more lanes doesn't improve traffic at all, because when you add a lane, people change their habits which negates the addition of a new lane.
In comparison, adding a bike lane or a dedicated bus lane can improve car traffic.
Also.
> The sad thing is that you've probably gotten 5 downvotes and 5 or fewer people responding to you about cars and it's so enraged you that you can, in your mind, exaggerate it to 50 responses from 50 people, and it "feels" right because your personality and lifestyle is so wrapped up in being able to drive a car. Nobody has ever done anything to you that would require you to change your lifestyle - at most you've lost a few extra minutes in commuting that you weren't entitled to anyways. The modern lifestyle has been totally warped by the unnatural and destructive privilege of being able to travel as fast as you want in your own personal vehicle, unconstrained by the costs of biological energy or muscle or distance or time. I think most people who advocate against cars today would agree that you, the car driver, have been ceded too much ground in this world.
I'm reminded of this person. She doesn't want to walk at all and doesn't want buildings to be close together. Basically the complete example of a selfish person.
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