Sc0nnie t1_j9uvi4v wrote on February 24, 2023 at 6:54 PM

Reply to comment by Working_Ad_4650 in Brazil’s Lula Intensifies Diplomatic Push for Peace in Ukraine by batmaninwonderland

Lula and Brazil have approximately zero influence on Putin. Even the Kremlin has approximately zero influence on Putin.

Basically Russia needs to lose badly and repeatedly until Putin either wakes up or dies. Hopefully one of these events can transpire sooner than later.

Basically every single call for “diplomacy” is a bad faith proposal for Ukraine to surrender.

Visual_Bathroom_6917 t1_j9w04fa wrote on February 24, 2023 at 11:22 PM

Ah yes, let's not call for diplomacy, let's wait until Putin dies, maybe when the conflict reaches 1.000.000 deaths he will stop being an autocratic leader and "wakes up".

Sc0nnie t1_j9w6tk7 wrote on February 25, 2023 at 12:11 AM

Show us a version of “diplomacy” that is not telling Ukraine to surrender their land.

“Call for diplomacy” = bossy outsiders telling Ukraine to surrender.

Lula or Xi have no moral authority to tell Ukraine they must surrender. This is Ukraine’s decision to make. They don’t need outsiders telling them to negotiate (surrender). If Lula or Xi want to “call for diplomacy” they should tell Putin to withdraw to 1991 borders instead of telling Ukraine to surrender.