popdivtweet t1_ja7idwh wrote
America wants drugs.
Though a much needed action, all this does is clear out some dangerous anti social elements from El Sal; the root cause for their existence remains.
Who built this prison?
How are they paying for it all?
kilgorevontrouty t1_ja7mqr6 wrote
According to the article it was built as part of a “war on gangs” that is given political authority by a state of emergency called last march. The prison is neither state of the art nor does it look expensive. This is 8 cement buildings with large rooms that have 2 toilets and showers for 100 prisoners and 80 beds for 100 prisoners. This is arm chair conjecture but it seems like the operation to move the prisoners here which included helicopters and a lot of coordination was nearly as expensive as the building. It appears this was spearheaded and ordered by the president and his cabinet who is hoping to get the cartel violence under control and ran on that agenda.
The cynic in me expects the cartels will buy off or extort the guards eventually unless they maintain anonymity and have thorough security measures. I feel like these are going to turn into murder holes at the very least as these conditions do not help with violent tendencies.
WilliamMorris420 t1_ja8gmbk wrote
But the prisoners are in their cells and will never leave them again. Except for legal hearings by video and for punishment in the isolation cells.
The biggest problem is thst with 100 prisoners per cell and only 80 bunks. They're going to be ultra-violently fighting for each bunk and food. As well as being bored out of their skulls. With the only entertianmnet being torturing the other prisoners.
kilgorevontrouty t1_ja96d3f wrote
Oh I think this a human rights atrocity. I am not familiar enough with the situation to declare my takes as factual or one that should be used as evidence. It seems like this is a death trap. There will be a lot of violence. This is the kind of stuff nightmares are made of. I don’t know if everyone in there is evil but some will witness it, some will be victims of it, and some will become it. If I were in there I’d find the fastest way to kill myself.
Zeeknasty7 t1_ja9cxqn wrote
Easy to think like this when your country isn't getting torn apart by gang violence. Especially when each gang is pretty much its own standing army. I say, props to them. Deal with these clowns so innocent people can live their lives and better their country.
kilgorevontrouty t1_ja9iweu wrote
Just to clarify I don’t judge them for this tactic. I am not informed enough about any of it. I was saying from a human rights perspective this could at best be judged problematic. But what the cartels are doing to their country is arguably (almost certainly) worse so this tactic is probably the only option to contain the violence. It makes sense on from a macro perspective but to be caught in there would be a nightmare.
Zeeknasty7 t1_ja9k5a1 wrote
No doubt on that. Sucks that it has to be done, but some people really can't be reasoned with. On top of that, you can make an argument that these gangs are a national security threat, rather than just a criminal one. Human rights violations are a guarantee here, but gotta pick your poison I guess.
swordsdancemew t1_jab8lt0 wrote
To clarify we are picking our poison between the poison of unnecessary sleep deprived territorial violence, and the spending 25% more on bed space
WilliamMorris420 t1_ja96pvl wrote
Given thst there maybe some innocent people there but most will be gang members. Most of them will be evil.
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