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[deleted] t1_j9sv8ju wrote

Reply to comment by MonoGreenFanBoy in Boris Johnson calls on UK to 'break the ice' by sending fighter jets to Ukraine - and warns China against 'historic mistake' by R1ckCrypto

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lollypatrolly t1_j9tbh7l wrote

> There is an actual reason why nations have been hesitant to give Ukraine fighter jets.

The actual reason is lack of political will. His suggestion is directly designed to deal with this, by taking initiative and paving the way for timid nations (the US, Germany) to follow.

>and even then it's not necessarily clear they would be the determining factor in making gains

There is no single weapon or system that will win a war by itself, that's not how war works. Modern fighter jets will give Ukraine capabilities that they didn't have before though, providing a sizeable advantage in both air defense and giving them the option of using western stand-off munitions.

>rather than a provocation that takes the war to the next level.

This is pure Russian propaganda. There is no possible "next level", Russia is already trying as hard as it can to win the war.

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[deleted] t1_j9tc1ls wrote

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lollypatrolly t1_j9td5qm wrote

>while you say that Russia isn't capable of causing even more destruction in the region.

Their military is fully committed, there's nothing else they can do.

Notice that Ukraine is asking for all these things and are not worrying about "escalation". Strange, huh?

These delusional Putin propagandists whinging about "escalation" are on the other hand completely safe.

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rm-rd t1_j9syg5y wrote

IMO the most escalatory thing that can happen is the war drags on, without giving Putin an excuse to back out.

The evil NATO jets (as Russia will probably call them) could both shorten the war (thus fewer lives lost on both sides) and give Putin a scapegoat for his loss.

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[deleted] t1_j9tb9of wrote

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lollypatrolly t1_j9tcobz wrote

> They end up being used to push the war into Russia forcing a much more desperate defensive Russian escalation.

Pushing the war into Russia is a purely good thing, Ukraine needs to strike military assets on the Russian side in order to win the war. It's unambiguously good and there are no downsides.

>The ability to project into Russia increases Russia's willingness to retaliate openly or covertly against the nation giving the jet-- potentially forcing the escalation to full world war.

Russia lacks the capability to "retaliate", and they lack the casus belli as well. There is zero chance they do anything to the west no matter what type of weapon Ukraine is given. And they're already doing everything they possibly can to Ukraine, there's no further step in the escalation ladder.

>and I'm sure the world's top diplomats can't compare to your genius

The world's top diplomats and military leaders all agree with me on this.

>but there's some pretty obvious ways that this could create blowback

No, there's no possibility of weapon deliveries to Ukraine creating "blowback" from Russia. The only type of blowback you might see is in domestic politics, where you might lose the votes of fearful idiot voters. And even then that might only happen in a select few countries, considering citizens of most western nations overwhelmingly support the cause.

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