7sfx t1_ja1gsgd wrote
Reply to comment by pk10534 in German chancellor visits India to boost India's relations with the west and possibly move India away from Russia. by CHTanwar
Who cares what India thinks or does??
Certainty the whole west. Are you living under a rock or something. So many deals are being offered from the west to woo India. Defence deals, investment deals, etc. If you don't care what India does, then why are your diplomats constantly trying to get India to condemn Russia from the last one year. Even reddit DiPlOmATs like you can't get enough of India. Look at the threads on India on this sub. If you don't care what India does, then why are you DiPlOmATs screaming sanctions on India.
India joining the China-Russia camp will be the biggest blunder of US foreign policy. I think you are too egoistic to see the big picture.
[deleted] t1_ja2pthh wrote
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Emperor_Mao t1_ja29c3t wrote
Lmao. You know why India has such a terrible HDI? you know why China is building its infrastructure up on the Ladakh region, while India celebrates videos of its army chasing Chinese away with sticks? Because the Indian nation is so full of hubris, it can't see that China has already beaten it. In every single way. Militarily, Economically, Geopolitically.
China is frankly far more important than India will ever be. The west probably sees value in the manpower India has - and maybe sees India as a non-threat. But that is about it. The west can safely defend itself. India though, lol...... enjoy those viral videos of stick fighters. China is building roads, airfields, military installments all ialong those very contested regions. Every time China takes more land, India pretends it isn't happening and it is "achtually winning the war".
Gl. Say what you want about the CCP, but they turned China into a global power. India still fails to live up to anything it was hyped to achieve even 60 years ago.
7sfx t1_ja2cm0k wrote
Hmm. I know India is a little late to the party. But we are getting here. Our policymakers kept the economy closed till the collapse of Soviet union which led to China taking the global manufacturing pie. You are talking as if China was always big, don't forget millions died in your country too of hunger in the 60's and 70's.
We are also ramping up the infra development on the border areas. Arunachal, Ladakh,etc has seen rapid growth within the last few years. China can never even dream of conquering India. Firstly, I don't think xinping is that stupid to fight a full fledged war. If he does that, then say adios to your shenzen, Beijing and all your major cities. What do you think we got nukes for? For museum display? And don't forget that all your trade passes through the Indian Ocean. We will effectively choke you from food and energy. But I don't think this situation will ever happen because xinping is not that stupid.
All you could do is wander into our territories like pests and hope that we don't see you. But when eventually we do, be prepared for some good ole ass smacking. Videos of which went viral just a few months ago. Your soldiers are too weak. They are the only child of their parents so they are afraid of dying. Our people are on the other hand want to get enlisted in the army. They are not afraid to fight.
Plus, this is the most China will ever be. It's potential energy has been depleted. It's all downhill from here for you. Cause the world has now realised of your intentions. They are all teaming up against you. All your neighbours are increasing their military budgets. There is QUAD, which for now is a supply chain oriented grouping, but will turn into a defense pact in the future soon. China could have achieved more if not for this idiotic leader xinping which you got in 2012. That guy has pissed off the whole world in 10 yrs. He wanted too much, too quickly. Leaders prior to him were good for China. But xinping eroded all that progress in the last 10 yrs. First of all, your BRI project. How good is that going lol?? Sri Lanka, default. Pakistan, default. All the projects are essential lying dead now cause there was no economic sense in sanctioning the projects. Now be prepared to write all those debt off. Your only hope for a superpower status was Indian support. But you instead chose to support Pakistan lol. What a joke of an ally you have. Fighting and dying for wheat. I've heard that you have stopped your projects in CPEC and have also closed your consulate in Pak. What a waste haha.
And let's not even talk about your demographics. You are an aging and dying society. Talk about world domination, you can't cause you will be very busy in talking care of the senior citizens.
Meanwhile US is increasing troop presence in Taiwan, so you can't get that too. The future will be full of frustration for the Chinese.
Emperor_Mao t1_ja2e6aw wrote
So India's strategy is to rely on the west - while also pissing the west off. And you say the west needs India lmao.
Yes the U.S is strong, no one in China denies that. But India is not. Surrounded by enemies with no real allies to help. The U.S isn't going to go to war for India - India can't even stop buying cheap oil haha. Why would the U.S help you there?
And China doesn't need to conqueror all of India to achieve strategic victory. China is simply taking land, building defences on it. India can't do anything back about it. Plus India struggles with long range missiles and aircraft. Launching a nuke over the Himalayas is childs play for China. Sending aircraft, can be done. What aircraft does India have that can do similar? I mean if the U.S sold some of its f35's perhaps. Maybe China can sell some J series craft to you... nope. I guess you can keep trying and failing to build anything useful.
7sfx t1_ja2gjvo wrote
India's strategy is to rely on itself. India fought all its war alone. But like it or not, India's partnership with west is deepening. You can see that in the form of defence and investment deals.
We are surrounded by enemies, agreed. But one of them is not like the other. China is a problem, Pak isn't. With Imran gone and Pak needing new loans, it's coming back to its daddy US. Which means China can't use it to poke India. We are even contemplating on reducing our armed forces presence in Kashmir and redeploying them at the LAC. Honestly Pak is a non issue now. Pakistanis are now wondering that if they made a good decision antagonizing India and destroying it's relationship with India. Cause you know, they can really use some of our wheat right now. Which they won't get, cause their stupid administration stopped trading with India since 2019.
And good luck flying aircrafts over Himalayas. Even US doubts that a war could be fought that way, what will China even do? Our Rafales are decent enough to counter whatever j17s you have. US recently came to the air expo held in India with their F35s. Now I don't know if they will offer us F35, considering we operate S400s. But let's suppose they do, then how are you planning to match that? Your planes and your army isn't battle tested. Who says, they'll too come out as a paper tiger. And it most probably will. And hello, have you forgotten about AGNI 5, and the up and coming AGNI 6. They are more than capable in reaching your easternmost hideouts. As i mentioned before, all you can do is sneak inside our borders. But you will be repelled. And we will get to see more of those videos where our army is beating the shit out of your army lol.
pk10534 t1_ja1i9yo wrote
Indians really live in a world where they think they’re the center of the universe don’t they. You do realize the US lobbies for dozens of countries to buy its weapons systems, right…? Like we do the same around the world, you aren’t special. Your economy is smaller than California’s
7sfx t1_ja1ozzs wrote
There's a thing called growth. India's economy may be small now, but it will rival China and US in the coming 25-30 years. You may have a very myopic view of the world, but I don't think the policymakers sitting in the US do too. Well, atleast that is what I hope to believe. All your allies in UK, France, Germany,etc will fall in riches(as compared to the developing nations) and as result, in relevancy in these next 25-30 yrs. Let's see how you stand alone then. As I said before, losing India to Chin-Rus will be the biggest geopolitical blunder of the US. It will hurt you more than you think.
pk10534 t1_ja1qicc wrote
I’ll believe it when I see it lmao
7sfx t1_ja1qt1h wrote
Just wait and watch my friend.
pk10534 t1_ja1r52p wrote
They said the same thing about the USSR and China and Japan. India is hitting 5 or 6% growth - at that rate, it will take decades for it to even catch up to Germany or Japan, much less the US or China.
7sfx t1_ja1txvj wrote
Even with modest projections, India will overtake Germany and Japan within a decade. With "modest" projections. With good growth, they will be overtaken even quicker.
Japan even acknowledged that in their military and economic doctrine released last year. I don't know where you are getting your news from. I think you read only biased rags to have such a pessimistic view of India.
pk10534 t1_ja1vnh9 wrote
Japan was supposed to become the world’s second superpower, never happened either.
7sfx t1_ja1wza0 wrote
Japan is well known for predicting earthquakes too. From sanctioning India 25 yrs ago, to courting India for partnership now, US came a long way lol. These are just minor tremors. Just wait, watch and enjoy the ride.
pk10534 t1_ja1xfxt wrote
Remember when China was supposed to overtake the US in 2020?
Emperor_Mao t1_ja29sc3 wrote
Yeah. Usually completely full of this weird hubris. Like the country has abysmal HDI, weak military, weak economic power relative to population and in general. Not important at all. But you talk to Indians on reddit and you would think they are the U.S.
It is funny because after WWII, the world thought India and China would both become great powers. One did, the other is still an undeveloped shithole. One talks the talk, the other is walking it now. India will fail to live up to anything even given another 60 years. The culture is just too divided and anyone that is educated leaves to a western country for a better life or career. Some cities in India have modern regions, but why stay there if you are intelligent - you can go to any western country, contribute and have a better life instantly.
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