Comments

You must log in or register to comment.

SufficientWeek7142 t1_jabp90x wrote

I am a migrant, I was doing ok, but decided to move to another country for work.

If you HAVE to try to get to another country - even risking your life - where you apply for asylum you are a refugee. After the official investigation and evaluation you can either get the actual refugee status or not, but you will never ever get any other status. Either refugee or go home, they would never become (economic) migrants.

The term migrant was used instead refugees heavily by Hungarian (Russian) propaganda during 2015-2016 in order to reduce empathy. The Hungarian media was also instructed not to show women and children at all under any circumstances.

It is disgusting that russian and right wing trolls / politicians managed to bully most media into the incorrect usage of the word migrants.

3

autotldr t1_ja79gxq wrote

This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 83%. (I'm a bot)

> There are fears that more than 100 people, including children, have died after their boat sank in rough seas off southern Italy.

> "Just yesterday [Sunday], yet another horrific shipwreck in the Mediterranean claimed the lives of scores of people seeking a better future for themselves and their children. Refugee and migrant rights are human rights. They must be respected without discrimination," he said.

> According to monitoring groups, more than 20,000 people have died or gone missing at sea in the central Mediterranean since 2014.

Extended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: people^#1 migrant^#2 more^#3 children^#4 including^#5

2

alzkzj t1_jaajspg wrote

Mediterranean policymakers always campaign on promises to stop these boat trips

Then people consistently wind up dead... There are definitely incidents of targeted attacks on these migrants at sea by central govs that we dont know of.

May not be a majority occurrence but it deserves investigation

0

gburgwardt t1_ja7o93w wrote

Open the borders and these incredibly risky boat trips stop

What a pointless waste of life

−23

[deleted] t1_ja7ayo2 wrote

[deleted]

−24

HelpfulYoghurt t1_ja7bnwt wrote

How do you know those are asylum seekers ? Did you interviewed everyone on the boat and they all have been successful in gaining refugee status with their formal asylum application ? This is not any right wing conspiracy

28

[deleted] t1_ja7dn1p wrote

[deleted]

−16

spiteful_rr_dm_TA t1_ja7t5nh wrote

Tell us you have no idea how immigration systems work, without saying it explicitly lol

12

[deleted] t1_ja7v50l wrote

[deleted]

−12

spiteful_rr_dm_TA t1_ja7w5tq wrote

Wow you really don't understand immigration laws. Let me make this simple and clear:

Countries do give visas for immigrants... a fixed number of them. I don't know of any first world country that hands out unlimited visas. You also have to have skills to apply for a visa; the whole point of visas is you are bringing people to your country that will make your country stronger, letting in someone who is a subsistence farmer in subsahara Africa will not strengthen your country enough to win out over a talented programmer from the same country. Then there is the time constraint, visas can take years.

So if you are not one of the people who got to apply, or were rejected because you didn't have a skill that the host country wants, or you didn't want to wait another 3 years before going, then your only choice is to sneak into the country. That is what these people are doing. They are not all asylum seekers, they are economic immigrants. Sure they will claim asylum if discovered, but that is only to invoke international protections that prevent immediate deportation.

These people are economic migrants that bring much of what they are trying to escape to the Western World. They do not have the objective of properly immigrating and integrating, and they are not true asylum seekers. The best thing Europe can do is realize that this is no longer working, and start sending the ships back around.

9