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Shigsy89 t1_j9y2jht wrote

Reply to comment by Glass-Cardiologist22 in Chinese fighter jet confronts US Navy plane with CNN crew aboard as tensions simmer in South China Sea by Cheezied

Genuine question - what would your opinion be if it was a Chinese navy aircraft 12 miles off the coast of the US?

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Alert_Fruit1338 t1_j9y3sdq wrote

Problem is, this is not Chinese land. They built a base there in 2016 (Tawain, Vietnam, and the Philippines had bases there for decades already). This does not equate to sovereignty.

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Cheezied OP t1_j9z671a wrote

Genuine question - what would your opinion be if you knew China has been bullying, threatening, harassing, pushing away their neighbors' fishermen from their own ancestral waters, stealing and illegally reclaiming their small islands from them? Depriving them of their food and livelihood since their ancestors, suddenly no more as China vessels and their militia are there?

Didn't you know their fake 9-dash line is already invalidated by the Hague Ruling? Older maps predate that sham.

Didn't you know those small islands are super close to the Philippines and are far, far away galaxy from China?

Didn't you know they also just recently blocked, pushed away, and fired their lasers on unarmed PH Coastguard, again from their own waters? Some friend, huh?

But of course you purposefully ignore those. Genuine questions.

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weizuo t1_j9ze3m0 wrote

"their own ancestral waters", all countries involved in south china sea dispute can make such claims.

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Cheezied OP t1_j9zg8l8 wrote

The smaller claimants don't claim waters obviously super close to their neighbors just within eyesight reach, unlike far, far away China which has been threatening, firing lasers, deploying militias, reclaiming and militarizing those small islands like crazy even forcing their ADIZ, among others.

They have no authority there in the first place via their fake 9-dash line. They want conquest plain and simple. The Hague Ruling settled the illegitimacy of their sham map lawfully and peacefully already.

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weizuo t1_j9zhqda wrote

Wait until you see Vietnam's claim.

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Cheezied OP t1_j9ziow8 wrote

Irrelevant to what big China has illegally done and is repeatedly doing, stop you whataboutism. The Hague Ruling proved it all could be done lawfully and peacefully, which nations should abide.

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Cheezied OP t1_j9zpj9g wrote

Show it. And what do you propose? What do you want?

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weizuo t1_j9zeuy7 wrote

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_South_China_Sea_dispute according to this map, every country claims the majority of south china sea as their own territorial water.

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Cheezied OP t1_j9zh3x5 wrote

Get real! Do you really think those smaller claimants would really enforce those? Militarize them, enforce their own ADIZ, deploy naval fleets and militias to block, lock targets, threaten, fire lasers, and push away local fishermen and other ships? Only one far, far away has done those repeatedly.

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weizuo t1_j9zhfph wrote

So all countries are greedy, China happens to be the one with more military strength to back up its greedy plan.

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Cheezied OP t1_j9zj1uq wrote

The Hague Ruling already proved it all could be done legitimate and peacefully, which nations should abide. That there is a lawful way via international means away from pressure from any bigger claimant, without bloodshed.

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RockyMountain_Jeeper t1_ja0njym wrote

Yeah, we should probably stop that. As if their support for Russian agression is any indication.

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Shigsy89 t1_ja16y8k wrote

I like how you assumed I was Chinese 😄 Chinas claims of some territories in the region are laughable and I'm often one of their harshest critics. I am also balanced and unbiased. My point being, we are talking about a US aircraft on the other side of the planet playing dick measuring games. The nations who dispute these particular islands do not include the US.

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Cheezied OP t1_ja1nzd4 wrote

What would the smaller neighbors do then? They've been repeatedly... like I wrote above by big nuclear power China. The smaller PH already took them to the international Hague which invalidated their sham 9-dash map lawfully and peacefully, yet China don't want to honor it. Some don't even have the appropriate aircraft to intercept at all, nothing.

So the US doing that is a welcome move. Why in the world would you favor big nuclear China doing their repeated things over the smaller bullied neighbors?

Say If there are no bullied smaller neighbors there or any at all in there, and then the US on the other side of the planet being there, then criticize them as you want.

You immediately criticize the US as playing dick, yet you didn't criticize China's many things at all especially on that particular sky/sea where they have no jurisdiction in the first place? So how are you balanced and unbiased? You've thought first about what big bully nuclear China felt but not the bullied smaller neighbors? The Hague Ruling is the real balanced and unbiased, no big, no small, no powerful, no weak, international and outside of any pressure from big neighbors.

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