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ow12497 t1_jach718 wrote

What I find strange is how so much of this war is being focused around Bakhmut right now, as if it falls, it's all over.

Isn't it essentially Ukraine's first line of defence right now? Don't they have 3 or 4 similarly, perhaps more, fortified cities to fall back to to their West?

It seems to me more right now that Russia are throwing everything they can at one small city, which Ukraine could probably just pull out of to a more advantageous position at any time.

Honestly feels like the Ukrainians are leading the Russian army into a nasty trap to me lol

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technitecho t1_jacia52 wrote

Considering what happened in bucha and other places... Ukraine is probably afraid that the civilians in bakhmut might have to face the revenge of the Russian army if bakhmut falls. I hope all civilians are already taken out of there.

Also every line of defence counts. If u go by the mentality that it's alright if the first one falls cause u have others, u won't be able to defend anything.

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marianass t1_jaclq97 wrote

Any civilian still in Bukhmat is probably a pro-Russian.

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Ehldas t1_jaco98o wrote

Actually most of them seem to be just old and afraid to leave everything they've ever known.

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The_Redoubtable_Dane t1_jad9hca wrote

Although this is probably the case, those 5000ish people have made their choice, and the Ukrainian army simply can't be expected to continue to act in a way that maximises those civilians' chance of survival. If anything, they are helping the Russian army by being in the way. Really not particularly patriotic.

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Jazzlike-Equipment45 t1_jaceg9n wrote

You willing to fight WW3?

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creativename87639 t1_jacin3m wrote

To be fair UN peacekeepers wouldn’t cause WW3 because Russia is on the security council and would have to approve UN peacekeepers.

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Jurangi t1_jacfqx0 wrote

Thess idiots keep calling for WW3 but ain't no way in hell the would say the same when they are being forced to deploy.

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autotldr t1_jaccmno wrote

This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 77%. (I'm a bot)

> "I'm absolutely confident that both Finland and Sweden will become members of NATO," Stoltenberg told reporters as he appeared alongside Finland's Prime Minister Sanna Marin in Helsinki.

> Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu said Monday that Sweden has not lived up to its side of a June agreement in which Sweden and Finland pledged to lift restrictions on selling weapons to Turkey and to intensify work on Ankara's requests to extradite suspected militants.

> Marin said Tuesday the potential threat of Russia following its invasion of Ukraine last year prompted Finland to seek NATO membership, saying the NATO line "Is the only line Russia wouldn't cross."

Extended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Finland^#1 Sweden^#2 NATO^#3 Turkey^#4 forces^#5

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