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brihamedit t1_je6ms4t wrote

It'll obviously a big long term change in climate and disruption in the food chain. All countries need to start prepping for it. There won't be any food and any gov and any humans left if we don't handle things properly.

Ultimately we might be too young as a species to handle such big issues. Its not about small bunches of people surviving the big calamity. People will survive anyway. But that will not amount to anything unless its properly calibrated. Leave things to natural process, people will go back to being simple minded farmers and will inevitably go extinct at some point later. Its unlikely human civilization will reemerge as a big capable species ever again out of the simple minded frame of being. The whole thing has to be calibrated with the right kind of future oriented secular narrative that promotes right culture and right growth and right frame of mind and right identity and promote high capacity in everything. But problem is we can't even handle the small existence in limited time frame we have so far. We are still at that proto human mind set.

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odc100 t1_je7257o wrote

Interesting comment, thanks.

What would you see as the right kind of culture and state of mind?

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brihamedit t1_je72c3l wrote

Secular humanist western liberal - future and progress oriented - sensible and reasonable and up to date about rule making.

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UrkBurker t1_je8y11b wrote

I Dont think your kind survives due to the lack of weaponry and abundance of art degrees.

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mcs_987654321 t1_je7n6e9 wrote

Ehh, disagree, the species will be fine, and the tendency towards civilization building seems to something we’re inherently built towards, so I’m not especially worried about that either, especially given the recovery that was seen post Bronze Age collapse.

As to the survival of current civilizations (or even preservation of the skills and standards achieved through those civilizations)? Oof, thing aren’t looking super great on that front, likely to be a pretty turbulent century or two, but I’m confident that they’ll be something recognizable on the other side.

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ScootyPuffJr_Suuuuuu t1_je8lx8c wrote

This is a moronic take. The bronze age collapse was a global market snafu. We're talking about a reorganization of the entire food chain which will take 10s, to 100s of thousands of years to stabalize, and MILLIONS to achieve anything remotely like the bio diversity we're currently pissing away. There is literally no comparing the scales of these two events to each other. The Bronze Age Collapse isn't even a blip on this radar.

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ohnoitsthebigcheese t1_je7oix8 wrote

> These options all presuppose that our survivors are able to construct efficient steam turbines, CHP stations and internal combustion engines. We know how to do all that, of course – but in the event of a civilisational collapse, who is to say that the knowledge won’t be lost? And if it is, what are the chances that our descendants could reconstruct it?

Not to mention our offspring will have to dig really deep for some simple ores, something I'm not sure can be done with primitive tools.

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ezaroo1 t1_je81a5j wrote

Why? All the metal we dug up apart from the tiny fractions in space and the ocean is literally lying around on the surface. Maybe encased in some concrete but it’s not really hidden.

In the event civilisation totally collapses all our current shit will just lay around. Getting all sorts of metals will be easy, aluminium? It’s just chilling in kitchens, steel? Yep, you don’t even need to make it from iron just melt it. Copper? Electrical wiring, millions of tonnes of it.

The only really difficult ones for them would be coal and oil.

You could rebuild a very technologically advanced society just mining shot we left around, sure if they wanted to get to the same level they’d need to dig deep for certain things but that’s way past the point we needed to this time around.

Also, all or technology is incredibly well documented, and in the event society started collapsing you can bet people would go out of their way to keep hold of some very useful things.

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brihamedit t1_je7v2o6 wrote

Zero chance the advancements would be reconstructed. Zero chance.

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ScootyPuffJr_Suuuuuu t1_je8lpbu wrote

Hard agree. We've used up too many of the easily attainable "starter" resources for a second go at it. Humanity may survive, but it will be damned to a permanent medieval state.

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provisionings t1_je80y55 wrote

I don’t think the food issues will be as bad as you claim. The Italians just synthesized drought resistant tomatoes and we already have cattle that can withstand the heat.

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brihamedit t1_je83jbn wrote

You have to imagine how the world is like at very large scale. There won't be enough food to go around. And it takes very little chaos for systems to come down. World would go into full chaos mode when some of these problems come up that will be declared unsolvable. Hundreds of millions of people may be billions of people would be deemed unsavable. World is held together by soft illusions of safety and sense of continuity etc. When it starts to fall it'll be full irreversible chaos.

The high capacity and advancements of the modern world aren't accessible in an unstable world. Its not even redoable even if all the knowledge is safely stored away. It would be impossible to recreate that momentum that made the modern world possible.

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RMCPhoto t1_je8krdu wrote

I think you're imagining this happening over a week or a month, not a generation like it is predicted.

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