scoofy t1_je8631t wrote on March 30, 2023 at 2:40 AM

Reply to comment by botle in Melting Antarctic ice predicted to cause rapid slowdown of deep ocean current by 2050 by Lakerlion

If we can get a carbon cap and trade system in place, I'd be ecstatic. I just think it's naive that people think it's big corp lobbying congress to keep that from happening. People would freak out.

When I'm making these statements, I'm not saying that "this is the result of individual decisions" it's just that all these individual decisions affect policy.

I was celebrating when gas prices exploded in CA this last year, assuming more people would switch to renewables. Literally the opposite happened. The gov't started mailing out checks to people to help them afford gasoline. It's ridiculous. Everyone wants it both ways. They want carbon tax/trade, but they also want low gas prices. You can't have both.

botle t1_je86v3m wrote on March 30, 2023 at 2:47 AM

>If we can get a carbon cap and trade system in place, I'd be ecstatic.

Most western countries do have one in place so it can happen in California too.

>I just think it's naive that people think it's big corp lobbying congress to keep that from happening. People would freak out.

I am not too familiar with your local situation. What I was trying to say is that every time this is presented as an individual decision and sacrifice instead of as a communal one, it discourages change.

>I was celebrating when gas prices exploded in CA this last year, assuming more people would switch to renewables. Literally the opposite happened. The gov't started mailing out checks to people to help them afford gasoline.

The last year has been a bit of an exception because of the war and inflation. The EU has felt it even more I think despite being less dependent on private vehicles.