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Stock_Rush2555 t1_jeav2rx wrote

I wonder if NATO/Europe could put up something similar to the great firewall of China, except around Russia, to contain it?

I'm no expert, but even using a VPN located outside Moscovy would require that VPN provider to connect to the client in Russia, which the firewall could block.

Inb4 "muh internet freedom"... Your internet freedom is already controlled by corporate interests, and has become a vector for warfare, massive amounts of fraud. The internet can't be the wild west when it can take out a country's power infrastructure, medical services or senior's pension plans. It's time for some defense against Russia, and while we're at it, china. They've both already got it, tho they will no doubt cry discrimination the minute we follow their lead.

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kolodz t1_jebj3yp wrote

They could cut the line and separate the Russian network. (Physically or virtually)

But last time I checked expert were convinced that this would bring more problems than solving current ones.

Russia is connected to other countries that won't disconnect them (So we would still be exposed)

Russia would still be able to do attacks, but more regulars people would be able to use simple VPN or proxy to overcome censorship. (Iran cut internet voluntary during uprising)

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krtshv t1_jed6bsz wrote

What if you physically cut the lines?

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kolodz t1_jedhkkr wrote

Still indirect lines...

Belarus/China etc....

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SiarX t1_jeflkx6 wrote

Then Russia physically cuts all sea Internet cables.

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SiarX t1_jeflmxo wrote

Not to mention that Russia would cut all sea Internet cables.

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Opi-Fex t1_jeblj89 wrote

It wouldn't work. It's not like they need to run the operation from inside Russia. They have actual people all over the world, including ordinary citizens, or employees at large tech firms inside the EU and US.

They can just use those people to acquire residential internet connections, or rent VMs. They can also run VPNs through other countries, like India. Are we going to block India as well? There's nothing you could really do to stop that outside of shutting the internet down completely.

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boesmensch t1_jebq0cp wrote

Nah, imho it would be better to swamp unfriendly countries with our own disinformation campaigns. Just imagine what you could do nowadays with deep fakes and LLMs, lol.

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dogegunate t1_jedgqee wrote

This is wild, people are actually upvoting the idea of blockading internet access to countries and following authoritarian China in making our own closed off internet. Yes, let's shut off access to the greatest wealth of knowledge and connectivity in human history to innocent civilians living in these countries because we don't like their government. Because that's what liberty and freedom, values we are supposed champion, are all about.

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