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Vast-Combination4046 t1_jea64b1 wrote
Idk I applaud this guy for being willing to take the risk to dig around in Russia. It was dangerous 10 years ago, it's dangerous today.
YamSamwiches t1_jea7h42 wrote
Yeah, he’s a true journalist. Total balls of steel.
FMJoey325 t1_jeahfn8 wrote
Problem is shit like this happens, and now some lopsided prisoner swap will happen again. It’s not that he’s not worth it, but detained US citizens will always be bait for the Russian lure.
Jorgwalther t1_jeay5ml wrote
I don’t think the US even has any Russians available for swap anymore… looks like this poor guy will be their hostage for the foreseeable future
whitebreadohiodude t1_jeap94s wrote
Its worth it if you think the Russian people are worth redemption. There are still 100+ millions in Russia.
Atrium41 t1_jeafywf wrote
Can't believe John Oliver got a Snowden interview
unclonedsoul t1_jeb8dfu wrote
Why not? Others have gotten interviews.
Atrium41 t1_jebe1j0 wrote
Yes. But he's also not very quiet about putin or russia
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8Aquitaine8 t1_jeavrxr wrote
At this point, these people need to use common sense
Robo_Con t1_je9tok8 wrote
People who say he should’ve just left don’t realize the importance of a reporter. Obviously if you’re an average citizen, you shouldn’t be there. But if you’re trying to actually get info out to the people, then maybe you ain’t always gonna be somewhere safe
TheDarkestWilliam t1_je9ysob wrote
Normally I would agree. But given the political tensions, any Americans, especially reporters, should not be there for exactly this reason. Their job is to dig for information, well so is a spy's. So it's just way too easy for Russia to use those blurred lines right now. And when they do this they now have political leverage at a time when they really need it and we really need them to not have it. Any other time yes I'd agree we need reporters there. But in this specific case with the shit involved between these specific two world powers, I think it's best none of us are over there right now, however well meaning.
Vast-Combination4046 t1_jea9ko6 wrote
He knew the risk, he's doing his part for what he feels is right.
NKinCode t1_jeac7eg wrote
Yeah, now the US may have to swap another high valued Russian to get him back.. should’ve just stayed in the US
BoulderAndBrunch t1_jeb9ha0 wrote
The world has moved on from Viktor. He was to no real value to us. Maybe some hyped victory over USA propaganda for Putin but that’s it. Man was going to die in prison and is no threat to the USA.
NKinCode t1_jebn6ec wrote
He wasn’t a threat, supposedly. Regardless, it’s not as if we HAVE to trade him again. There are other prisoners who have high value that Russia could want.
BoulderAndBrunch t1_jec7vl2 wrote
Like who? We don’t have many big name Russian prisoners.
NKinCode t1_jecgsfi wrote
No one knew who this Russian prisoner was before he was in the talks to be released. I’m sure there are more. If there aren’t more, there can be in the future. Also, it’s not ONLY prisoner exchanges that happen. Russians can ask for different trades. When we don’t have to be in Russia for reliable news it makes less sense to put ourselves in the position to HAVE to trade
longleaf4 t1_jearxsq wrote
How would we get any verifiable information without reporters there? It seems like we would be handcuffed to only reading g russian propaganda if they're the only ones left reporting on the ground. Then they can easily turn public opinion into forcing us to release all of the high value prisoners. There are a lot of politically established protocols for allowing journalists to pursue their work that Russia is just trashing.
NKinCode t1_jeawpqw wrote
We do still get information from Russian sources that are reliable. There are many news outlets that are anti-war/anti-Putin who put out a lot of good information. We don’t NEED to physically be there. Of course there are many pros to having someone there but does it outweigh the cons? Let’s see who they release for the American. Doubt it’ll be favorable in terms of ‘value’
longleaf4 t1_jeb1px8 wrote
We are really losing appreciation for information. Anti-putin Russian outlets are not a proxy or replacement for getting news reported. I have no idea how you trust such unverifiable information.
Besides, as long as we all stay united in giving Ukraine all the money and resources to keep killing Russians in fields. I don't place a lot of value in keeping a russian arms dealer who isn't going to affect the war or the US.
NKinCode t1_jebmyfo wrote
Lol it’s all unverifiable, though. Do you know how much fake news exists that is supposedly “verified?” Like I said, we could just use the already existing outlets or get our information from another country who isn’t in Russians shit list. There’s many ways around having American reporters there if you care enough.
I’m not talking about trading an additional arms dealer. There would be more dangerous people who have in prison who could be released
Ferengi_Earwax t1_jeb0zz0 wrote
The last russian wasn't high value.
NKinCode t1_jebmige wrote
Supposedly. If the Russians wanted him back it’s likely for a reason. You can’t possibly trust that the US media would tell us the truth, especially when the American prisoner was a black gay female athlete.
Ferengi_Earwax t1_jeeq0q5 wrote
Nah.
count023 t1_jeddxkm wrote
or america arrests a bunch of Russian journalists instead on accusations of spying, considering their diplomatic staff is basically nothing but spies, probably not too far a leap.
But who are we kidding, Russia places no value on the lives of their own, so Putin wouldn't care...
Vast-Combination4046 t1_jead134 wrote
Or he takes his lumps... It's all speculation at this point.
aneeta96 t1_jearcfh wrote
So journalists should just report when it's safe? I would argue that it's more important than ever for him to be there.
Familiar_Echidna_651 t1_jeahyng wrote
War reporters have always existed. The article says “first American reporter arrested in russia since the Cold War”- do you think the political tensions are higher now than the Cold War? Journalists have been and will always be an important part of any war effort.
Jorgwalther t1_jeayaic wrote
I would say tensions are higher now than the Cold War.
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fatbaIlerina t1_jeak4u4 wrote
I wonder if the importance of reports outweighs the liability you become once detained.
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redbarebluebare t1_jea1j54 wrote
big brain comment. You do realise that some Russian war criminals/ oligarch will now have to be realised in a prison swap to get him back…
autotldr t1_je954br wrote
This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 64%. (I'm a bot)
> Russian authorities have detained an American reporter for the Wall Street Journal on espionage charges, Russia's top security agency has said.
> The Federal Security Service, the top KGB successor agency, said on Thursday that Evan Gershkovich was arrested in the Ural Mountains city of Yekaterinburg while allegedly trying to obtain classified information.
> He is the first reporter for an American news outlet to be arrested on espionage charges in Russia since the Cold War and his arrest comes amid bitter global tensions over the fighting in Ukraine.
Extended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Gershkovich^#1 security^#2 report^#3 espionage^#4 Russia^#5
Kjaeve t1_je95bgr wrote
If he chose to stay in Russia after being warned to leave, well…
elinamebro t1_jea28jx wrote
well he is a journalist. it’s what they do
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OsrsTurboDweeb t1_je9rlb5 wrote
Well that’s no worse than bringing an illegal drug into their country and yet that person still got traded for an arms dealer…
notparistexas t1_jeahrtq wrote
>an arms dealer…
Whose sentence was almost finished.
missingmytowel t1_je9vv09 wrote
>an arms dealer…
Yes and life is exactly like Hollywood and this guy is going to become the next big evil genius who is going to bring down the world. We need James Bond stat /s
In reality he's an old washed up burnt criminal that's been held in prison for far too long to even be considered a threat. Contacts are all gone, respect is all dried up, his criminal network doesn't exist anymore etc. Any more on who thinks this guy is any kind of problem anymore is truly a class a moron. Fairytale believer
He was a trophy release for Russia just to say that they got to "win". While we got a decent person back in return.
Well...she's a decent person unless you're a bigoted POS. If that is you then I do apologize. I know I'm not going to convince you otherwise.
putdisinyopipe t1_je9xkug wrote
I knew it was BS they really leveraged the language of arms dealer and calling this dude “most dangerous man in Russia” or whatever the fucj.
If this dude was dangerous, why are we only hearing about him now? Lol
Bruhtatochips23415 t1_jea65qn wrote
He was talked about a lot in the 90s and 2000s lol
JudasIsAGrass t1_je9yewt wrote
IIRC - he is basis at the very least for Nic Cages character in Lord of War
backcountrydude t1_jea0sbd wrote
Wow what a gymnastic take here.
missingmytowel t1_jea7gt5 wrote
A gymnastics take is thinking somebody doesn't need to be released from prison because they are a black person who smokes weed. But we got a ton of those guys locked up over here for that so it makes sense.
Cause let's be realistic here. If she was a white girl that got arrested for public intoxication in Russia it would have been a completely different reaction from conservatives. They would have been just fine with it.
backcountrydude t1_jea7ucq wrote
No she was a person who got arrested with illegal drugs. Again another weird take by you
missingmytowel t1_jeaj9u3 wrote
Clutch those pearls boomer.
She received longest sentence ever received by somebody in Russia for possession of a small amount of marijuana. She was a political prisoner. Thrown in a kangaroo court and handed many many more years than any citizen would have received for the exact same charge.
You are now basically advocating for the Russian judicial system and long-term imprisonment of foreigners for political gain.
Wtf.... You went from being a racist and a self declared homophobe to now being a Russian troll. This has been one heck of a roller coaster
backcountrydude t1_jeako2n wrote
I’m so confused about when I was racist and a self-declared homophobe in my previous 2 comments? You are not only jumping through hoops but setting them up for yourself.
OsrsTurboDweeb t1_je9y2sa wrote
Oh don’t forget to throw out some more ad hominems too! Nobody said he’s going to blow up the world, stop making up strawman arguments. Ad hominems + strawman arguments + setting up a bait that if anyone disagrees with you then they’re a bigot? That means you’re not worth talking to.
missingmytowel t1_jea8npm wrote
Tell me you take zoom meetings in front of a bookshelf with big books without telling me that you take zoom meetings in front of a bookshelf with big books
Jorgwalther t1_jeaym0m wrote
Lol wtf does this even mean
missingmytowel t1_jecezjs wrote
It means some people feel the need to appear much smarter than they really are in an effort to prove a failed point.
Just amusing to see people use fancy words to get their point across and then you look in their comment history and realize they never speak like that any other time.
Very smarmy
Jorgwalther t1_jecg1tg wrote
Ah ok. What kind of “fancy words” are you referring to?
missingmytowel t1_jeck8ye wrote
When was the last time you seen someone use ad hominem?
I can only think of maybe two or three times I've known somebody to use it ever. This person being one.
When you don't talk like that on a normal basis (like pretty much everyone else) doing so in an argument in an attempt to establish superiority of intelligence through language used is smarmy.
What's worse is they don't do this to appear smarter to the person they are talking to. They do it so they appear smarter to observers and other commentators. Because they know they lost the argument to the person involved so they might as well try and win the crowd.
Smarmy 101
Our former president was the professor of that course.
Jorgwalther t1_jecmwnd wrote
Oh I see people say ad hominem several times a day on Reddit, it’s pretty common when people are arguing in my experience
eifjui t1_je9z77v wrote
Not sure I’d call someone convicted of hitting her wife a decent person
missingmytowel t1_jea8a2f wrote
>violent offenders deserve life in prison
FTFY
Fuck rehabilitation am I right? We should go back to branding people. Bring back the Scarlet letters!!!!
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OsrsTurboDweeb t1_je9xmh1 wrote
Yes I’m sure you, random Redditor, know more than the fbi agents who worked to catch him. Also your insinuation that I’m a racist/homophobe at the end shows you’re not worth talking to because you’ll just be dishonest. Now can you tell me where anyone said she isn’t a decent person or were you just setting that up so you can shut down any dissent with “you’re a bigot”?
TightBandicoot2809 t1_jea14d0 wrote
Kind of hard to feel sympathy for someone who knew what they were doing was wrong and especially in Russia. Fuck around and find out.
missingmytowel t1_jea92ea wrote
>know more than the fbi agents who worked to catch him
Well now you're talking about the person who was involved in the criminal organizations and tracked and captured by the fbi. Not the person who spent many many years in prison and lost all his connections.
>homophobe
Also I didn't say that part. You said that part. Freudian slip LOL
OsrsTurboDweeb t1_jec7j92 wrote
Well she’s a poc and a lesbian and you said bigot so don’t try to play that manipulative word twisting shit. Pathetic. Keep the ad hominems coming, you’re doing great and totally not hurting the LGBTQIA+ community by using them like ammunition for people you disagree with
Alarmed-Accident-716 t1_jea7g0f wrote
You can’t call me a bigoted piece of shit for calling someone dumb for bringing drugs to a place where they are illegal, than getting mad about being detained. It’s why people hate American’s entitlement. Americans just do whatever they want because it’s okay at home. I know a kid who brought weed to Japan and got tossed in jail for over a year. Anyone bringing drugs into a foreign country is an idiot who deserves what’s coming to them so that other American’s stop being idiots. She didn’t even say sorry.
missingmytowel t1_jeajlqu wrote
As I explained to somebody else you are basically advocating for long-term imprisonment of Americans through a Russian kangaroo court for political gain.
She received an extremely long sentence compared to what any Russian citizen would have received for the exact same charge and amount of marijuana.
Keep reaching comrade
Alarmed-Accident-716 t1_jeakgqm wrote
Yeah, but she still knowingly brought drugs into a country where they are illegal. The decision making process that goes into bringing drugs on an airplane is different than buying a cart from an average drug dealer, if they even have carts in Russia to begin with. As a smoker myself I have anxiety about just a bit of weed in my pocket when I’m going to the airport. Let alone having the courage to bring cartridges on the plane. If she was apologetic after the fact it would be one thing, or even got the stuff over there, but she has shown 0 remorse. Also im no way they sell the Pens for carts over there, they are only legally sold everywhere in the usa because or CBD, which is also illegal in russia. So similar charge is void.
missingmytowel t1_jeasxmr wrote
>Also im no way they sell the Pens for carts over there, they are only legally sold everywhere in the usa because or CBD, which is also illegal in russia.
This is completely wrong. You obviously have zero clue how they convert marijuana concentrate, edibles and other forms of THC into flower weight.
They take the amount/potency and convert that into what it would be in similar flower weight. On average a typical cartridge is seen as a quarter ounce of marijuana. This conversion ratio is also the same throughout Europe and other places where marijuana is legalized
Here in Colorado when you visit a shop you're only able to buy 1 oz of product per visit. So if you buy a cartridge you're only allowed to get three quarters of an ounce of actual flower on top of it.
Gain a little bit of knowledge before speaking out of your ass to somebody who has direct information related to the topic at hand
Alarmed-Accident-716 t1_jebop1e wrote
That has nothing to do with the actual Pens needed to connect to the carts, that in cbd legal countries are sold. It is not like they have the manufacturing over there to make single use pen carts also. What you are saying has nothing to do with what I am saying. I am talking about the electronics, not the oil.
missingmytowel t1_jeceoac wrote
Let's count the times in your previous comment that you were talking about the oil (drug) itself and not the cartridge
>Yeah, but she still knowingly brought drugs into a country
>The decision making process that goes into bringing drugs on an airplane is different than buying a cart from an average drug dealer
>As a smoker myself I have anxiety about just a bit of weed in my pocket when I’m going to the airport.
>Let alone having the courage to bring cartridges on the plane.
>or even got the stuff over there
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Five times in that comment you were talking about the product in the cartridge
Only once did you mention the actual pen
It's almost as if you realize you were talking out of your ass because I told you you were talking out of your ass and now you're shifting the goal post. Almost
MaReddits509 t1_jea3d9g wrote
Wnba player = warlord, wsj reporter = . . .
B1-vantage t1_je9t44q wrote
Wonder who the terrorist want back this time?
Dangerously_Cheeesy t1_je9tlmh wrote
Probably that guy who works for the CIA
Mydoglikesladyboys t1_je9rtc7 wrote
Do we have any back up arms dealers to trade?
Branson567 t1_jea95ic wrote
Evan has balls. I like balls
sagebrushsavant t1_je9rj72 wrote
sweet, another high profile hostage for trade.
Shirolicious t1_jea5gan wrote
Poor guy, what a nightmare scenario.
IndiRefEarthLeaveSol t1_je9uugt wrote
I hope Diana from Sky gets out, and that BBC guy too, their in danger. 😐
TheDarkestWilliam t1_je9yb0r wrote
Ok so. Our government told all US citizens to leave Russia asap over a week ago. This guy for some reason appears to not have listened. This is the stupid shit that we as Americans do that makes it worse. This dingbat just gave Russia leverage at a critical time when they're being politically slow backed into a corner. Like dude. Whyyyy
WoobaLoobaDoobDoob t1_jeavhw7 wrote
You must not know what a journalist is
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didimao0072000 t1_je9q7su wrote
If what they did to the basketball player wasn't enough warning to stay away...
boiledriceeater t1_jea50lf wrote
Now which James Bond villain in a US jail do Russia want to trade him for ??
Dreambig203 t1_jeb0sp1 wrote
Too bad he’s not good at basketball
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EsmeSalinger t1_jebieon wrote
31 years old, played soccer for Bowdoin College in Maine- what a ten year trajectory
spoogicus t1_jebjcou wrote
Could have been worse. He could have fallen out of a window. Those things are tricky.
GroblyOverrated t1_jebl34g wrote
Russia is North Korea.
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throwawaywcoz t1_jebqqss wrote
You know, a good way to avoid getting arrested in Russia is to avoid going to Russia. Now the US. government has to deal with this.
msat16 t1_jec3j2g wrote
What’s are the terms of the trade?
Kewenfu t1_jectqqb wrote
The US is in another cold/hot war with Russia. It has to play tit for tat. Arrest Russian journalists and inform the Kremlin that they will be released when Gershkovich is.
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Ticoschnit t1_jef3sw8 wrote
Guy is done. He's not a POC or got a social media following. The WH will not give a crap.
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CalendarHead360 t1_jeadms3 wrote
He looks like the guy from You
blueark1 t1_je9xt4c wrote
If only he played basketball
Balloon-Vs-F22 t1_jeae539 wrote
Man I wonder who we'll have to trade. Last time we traded for domestic abuser POS for a war criminal.
For this decent person we might have to give the president.
Particular-Wasabi-32 t1_jea5d2p wrote
If this dude gets traded for a McDouble its still too much.
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soukmyshiill t1_jea7o30 wrote
Chicken Big mak ?
LegenW4Idary t1_jea6n4m wrote
Didn’t we warn people months and months ago to not be in or near Russia because something like this would certainly happen???
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Working_Ad_4650 t1_jeauyee wrote
I honestly don't know why any foriegn person doesnt get hll out of Russia. Common sense would telk you that you are in jeopardy of getting arrested .
GroblyOverrated t1_jebludv wrote
Ask yourself, are foreign business out of Russia? I remember the exodus at the start but that hasn't progressed. It's concerning.
Working_Ad_4650 t1_jebtxz5 wrote
very
BendersDafodil t1_jeawf20 wrote
Umm, after Brittney Griner, what American is still hanging out in Russia without diplomatic immunity? SMDH! Very dumb.
s968339 t1_jea0yxh wrote
Assange enters this chat
AtomicBlastCandy t1_je9w01n wrote
Let that Aussie get him out. USA shouldn’t do a damn thing to free him imho.
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Dinglederple t1_jea6q7i wrote
Seriously. WSJ journalists should be detained everywhere.
droplivefred t1_jea5xnk wrote
Was he working on a story there? Are there other US journalists there? From what I’ve seen, there haven’t been any US reporters reporting live from Russia for a while. Heck, Russian reporters are disappearing over there and being censored like crazy. Why would the WSJ find it smart to send a US journalist there at this point?
readytostart1234 t1_jeafyqf wrote
He was working on a story in Ekaterinburg. Story was about Wagner military group and how normal Russians feel about their recruitment tactics. He was writing for WSJ, so not live reporting. His family is originally from Odessa Ukraine, and according to people that knew him, he was obsessed with Russia and Russian language and have spent nearly 6 years there.
Relative-Ad8957 t1_jea9uw1 wrote
Westrrn journalists are allowed in Russia, while all Russian media has been blocked and expelled from the West.
3characte t1_jeaa73r wrote
Only some stories are allowed to be told by the central powers
rhineo007 t1_jeagszn wrote
For the last year they said everyone should leave Russia. If you are still there…well that’s on you.
Cultural_Ad1035 t1_jeagw83 wrote
You'll be there a while buddy.. Joe won't save you nor will KamelToe Harris
Spare-Ad-2739 t1_jeb1eaf wrote
Idiot. There's absolutely no reason for any Western person to be in Russia in the first place right now. He probably was spying. And I am definitely no fan of russia. But what other possible reason could anybody in their right mind have for going into an enemy state right now?
lophowilli t1_jeae6h5 wrote
What a dumb ass. It's one thing to be a journalist overseas , but to do acts of espionage... well hope you get the gulag
Dangerously_Cheeesy t1_je9thiy wrote
China, Russia, Iran, Saudi Arabia ditch the US dollar today!
KingSnowlock t1_jea3lym wrote
Too bad he’s a white male. No one is going to give a fuck bud. Sorry.
Twain_didnt_say_that t1_jea9vyu wrote
r/persecutionfetish
More_Mention_8244 t1_je9tsyg wrote
Does he play basketball 🏀 in the WBNA? If he doesn’t fill the box or agenda. I think he will be there for a looooong time.
blckhenry8 t1_je9vf3v wrote
I don’t think anyone plays basketball in the WBNA
mildobamacare t1_je9ew8u wrote
Nato countries citizens need to be away from russia, like yesterday