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autotldr t1_je954br wrote

This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 64%. (I'm a bot)

> Russian authorities have detained an American reporter for the Wall Street Journal on espionage charges, Russia's top security agency has said.

> The Federal Security Service, the top KGB successor agency, said on Thursday that Evan Gershkovich was arrested in the Ural Mountains city of Yekaterinburg while allegedly trying to obtain classified information.

> He is the first reporter for an American news outlet to be arrested on espionage charges in Russia since the Cold War and his arrest comes amid bitter global tensions over the fighting in Ukraine.

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Kjaeve t1_je95bgr wrote

If he chose to stay in Russia after being warned to leave, well…

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mildobamacare t1_je9ew8u wrote

Nato countries citizens need to be away from russia, like yesterday

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didimao0072000 t1_je9q7su wrote

If what they did to the basketball player wasn't enough warning to stay away...

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B1-vantage t1_je9t44q wrote

Wonder who the terrorist want back this time?

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Robo_Con t1_je9tok8 wrote

People who say he should’ve just left don’t realize the importance of a reporter. Obviously if you’re an average citizen, you shouldn’t be there. But if you’re trying to actually get info out to the people, then maybe you ain’t always gonna be somewhere safe

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More_Mention_8244 t1_je9tsyg wrote

Does he play basketball 🏀 in the WBNA? If he doesn’t fill the box or agenda. I think he will be there for a looooong time.

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missingmytowel t1_je9vv09 wrote

Replying to OsrsTurboDweeb (#2,483,281)

>an arms dealer…

Yes and life is exactly like Hollywood and this guy is going to become the next big evil genius who is going to bring down the world. We need James Bond stat /s

In reality he's an old washed up burnt criminal that's been held in prison for far too long to even be considered a threat. Contacts are all gone, respect is all dried up, his criminal network doesn't exist anymore etc. Any more on who thinks this guy is any kind of problem anymore is truly a class a moron. Fairytale believer

He was a trophy release for Russia just to say that they got to "win". While we got a decent person back in return.

Well...she's a decent person unless you're a bigoted POS. If that is you then I do apologize. I know I'm not going to convince you otherwise.

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AtomicBlastCandy t1_je9w01n wrote

Let that Aussie get him out. USA shouldn’t do a damn thing to free him imho.

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putdisinyopipe t1_je9xkug wrote

Replying to missingmytowel (#2,484,485)

I knew it was BS they really leveraged the language of arms dealer and calling this dude “most dangerous man in Russia” or whatever the fucj.

If this dude was dangerous, why are we only hearing about him now? Lol

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OsrsTurboDweeb t1_je9xmh1 wrote

Replying to missingmytowel (#2,484,485)

Yes I’m sure you, random Redditor, know more than the fbi agents who worked to catch him. Also your insinuation that I’m a racist/homophobe at the end shows you’re not worth talking to because you’ll just be dishonest. Now can you tell me where anyone said she isn’t a decent person or were you just setting that up so you can shut down any dissent with “you’re a bigot”?

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blueark1 t1_je9xt4c wrote

If only he played basketball

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OsrsTurboDweeb t1_je9y2sa wrote

Replying to missingmytowel (#2,484,485)

Oh don’t forget to throw out some more ad hominems too! Nobody said he’s going to blow up the world, stop making up strawman arguments. Ad hominems + strawman arguments + setting up a bait that if anyone disagrees with you then they’re a bigot? That means you’re not worth talking to.

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TheDarkestWilliam t1_je9yb0r wrote

Ok so. Our government told all US citizens to leave Russia asap over a week ago. This guy for some reason appears to not have listened. This is the stupid shit that we as Americans do that makes it worse. This dingbat just gave Russia leverage at a critical time when they're being politically slow backed into a corner. Like dude. Whyyyy

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TheDarkestWilliam t1_je9ysob wrote

Replying to Robo_Con (#2,483,913)

Normally I would agree. But given the political tensions, any Americans, especially reporters, should not be there for exactly this reason. Their job is to dig for information, well so is a spy's. So it's just way too easy for Russia to use those blurred lines right now. And when they do this they now have political leverage at a time when they really need it and we really need them to not have it. Any other time yes I'd agree we need reporters there. But in this specific case with the shit involved between these specific two world powers, I think it's best none of us are over there right now, however well meaning.

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s968339 t1_jea0yxh wrote

Assange enters this chat

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KingSnowlock t1_jea3lym wrote

Too bad he’s a white male. No one is going to give a fuck bud. Sorry.

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boiledriceeater t1_jea50lf wrote

Now which James Bond villain in a US jail do Russia want to trade him for ??

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droplivefred t1_jea5xnk wrote

Was he working on a story there? Are there other US journalists there? From what I’ve seen, there haven’t been any US reporters reporting live from Russia for a while. Heck, Russian reporters are disappearing over there and being censored like crazy. Why would the WSJ find it smart to send a US journalist there at this point?

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LegenW4Idary t1_jea6n4m wrote

Didn’t we warn people months and months ago to not be in or near Russia because something like this would certainly happen???

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Alarmed-Accident-716 t1_jea7g0f wrote

Replying to missingmytowel (#2,484,485)

You can’t call me a bigoted piece of shit for calling someone dumb for bringing drugs to a place where they are illegal, than getting mad about being detained. It’s why people hate American’s entitlement. Americans just do whatever they want because it’s okay at home. I know a kid who brought weed to Japan and got tossed in jail for over a year. Anyone bringing drugs into a foreign country is an idiot who deserves what’s coming to them so that other American’s stop being idiots. She didn’t even say sorry.

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missingmytowel t1_jea7gt5 wrote

Replying to backcountrydude (#2,485,795)

A gymnastics take is thinking somebody doesn't need to be released from prison because they are a black person who smokes weed. But we got a ton of those guys locked up over here for that so it makes sense.

Cause let's be realistic here. If she was a white girl that got arrested for public intoxication in Russia it would have been a completely different reaction from conservatives. They would have been just fine with it.

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missingmytowel t1_jea92ea wrote

Replying to OsrsTurboDweeb (#2,484,926)

>know more than the fbi agents who worked to catch him

Well now you're talking about the person who was involved in the criminal organizations and tracked and captured by the fbi. Not the person who spent many many years in prison and lost all his connections.

>homophobe

Also I didn't say that part. You said that part. Freudian slip LOL

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Relative-Ad8957 t1_jea9uw1 wrote

Westrrn journalists are allowed in Russia, while all Russian media has been blocked and expelled from the West.

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Balloon-Vs-F22 t1_jeae539 wrote

Man I wonder who we'll have to trade. Last time we traded for domestic abuser POS for a war criminal.

For this decent person we might have to give the president.

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lophowilli t1_jeae6h5 wrote

What a dumb ass. It's one thing to be a journalist overseas , but to do acts of espionage... well hope you get the gulag

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readytostart1234 t1_jeafyqf wrote

Replying to droplivefred (#2,487,199)

He was working on a story in Ekaterinburg. Story was about Wagner military group and how normal Russians feel about their recruitment tactics. He was writing for WSJ, so not live reporting. His family is originally from Odessa Ukraine, and according to people that knew him, he was obsessed with Russia and Russian language and have spent nearly 6 years there.

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rhineo007 t1_jeagszn wrote

For the last year they said everyone should leave Russia. If you are still there…well that’s on you.

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Cultural_Ad1035 t1_jeagw83 wrote

You'll be there a while buddy.. Joe won't save you nor will KamelToe Harris

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Familiar_Echidna_651 t1_jeahyng wrote

Replying to TheDarkestWilliam (#2,485,232)

War reporters have always existed. The article says “first American reporter arrested in russia since the Cold War”- do you think the political tensions are higher now than the Cold War? Journalists have been and will always be an important part of any war effort.

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missingmytowel t1_jeaj9u3 wrote

Replying to backcountrydude (#2,487,727)

Clutch those pearls boomer.

She received longest sentence ever received by somebody in Russia for possession of a small amount of marijuana. She was a political prisoner. Thrown in a kangaroo court and handed many many more years than any citizen would have received for the exact same charge.

You are now basically advocating for the Russian judicial system and long-term imprisonment of foreigners for political gain.

Wtf.... You went from being a racist and a self declared homophobe to now being a Russian troll. This has been one heck of a roller coaster

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missingmytowel t1_jeajlqu wrote

Replying to Alarmed-Accident-716 (#2,487,600)

As I explained to somebody else you are basically advocating for long-term imprisonment of Americans through a Russian kangaroo court for political gain.

She received an extremely long sentence compared to what any Russian citizen would have received for the exact same charge and amount of marijuana.

Keep reaching comrade

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Alarmed-Accident-716 t1_jeakgqm wrote

Replying to missingmytowel (#2,490,778)

Yeah, but she still knowingly brought drugs into a country where they are illegal. The decision making process that goes into bringing drugs on an airplane is different than buying a cart from an average drug dealer, if they even have carts in Russia to begin with. As a smoker myself I have anxiety about just a bit of weed in my pocket when I’m going to the airport. Let alone having the courage to bring cartridges on the plane. If she was apologetic after the fact it would be one thing, or even got the stuff over there, but she has shown 0 remorse. Also im no way they sell the Pens for carts over there, they are only legally sold everywhere in the usa because or CBD, which is also illegal in russia. So similar charge is void.

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longleaf4 t1_jearxsq wrote

Replying to NKinCode (#2,488,848)

How would we get any verifiable information without reporters there? It seems like we would be handcuffed to only reading g russian propaganda if they're the only ones left reporting on the ground. Then they can easily turn public opinion into forcing us to release all of the high value prisoners. There are a lot of politically established protocols for allowing journalists to pursue their work that Russia is just trashing.

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missingmytowel t1_jeasxmr wrote

Replying to Alarmed-Accident-716 (#2,491,012)

>Also im no way they sell the Pens for carts over there, they are only legally sold everywhere in the usa because or CBD, which is also illegal in russia.

This is completely wrong. You obviously have zero clue how they convert marijuana concentrate, edibles and other forms of THC into flower weight.

They take the amount/potency and convert that into what it would be in similar flower weight. On average a typical cartridge is seen as a quarter ounce of marijuana. This conversion ratio is also the same throughout Europe and other places where marijuana is legalized

Here in Colorado when you visit a shop you're only able to buy 1 oz of product per visit. So if you buy a cartridge you're only allowed to get three quarters of an ounce of actual flower on top of it.

Gain a little bit of knowledge before speaking out of your ass to somebody who has direct information related to the topic at hand

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Working_Ad_4650 t1_jeauyee wrote

I honestly don't know why any foriegn person doesnt get hll out of Russia. Common sense would telk you that you are in jeopardy of getting arrested .

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BendersDafodil t1_jeawf20 wrote

Umm, after Brittney Griner, what American is still hanging out in Russia without diplomatic immunity? SMDH! Very dumb.

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NKinCode t1_jeawpqw wrote

Replying to longleaf4 (#2,492,763)

We do still get information from Russian sources that are reliable. There are many news outlets that are anti-war/anti-Putin who put out a lot of good information. We don’t NEED to physically be there. Of course there are many pros to having someone there but does it outweigh the cons? Let’s see who they release for the American. Doubt it’ll be favorable in terms of ‘value’

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Spare-Ad-2739 t1_jeb1eaf wrote

Idiot. There's absolutely no reason for any Western person to be in Russia in the first place right now. He probably was spying. And I am definitely no fan of russia. But what other possible reason could anybody in their right mind have for going into an enemy state right now?

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longleaf4 t1_jeb1px8 wrote

Replying to NKinCode (#2,493,936)

We are really losing appreciation for information. Anti-putin Russian outlets are not a proxy or replacement for getting news reported. I have no idea how you trust such unverifiable information.

Besides, as long as we all stay united in giving Ukraine all the money and resources to keep killing Russians in fields. I don't place a lot of value in keeping a russian arms dealer who isn't going to affect the war or the US.

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BoulderAndBrunch t1_jeb9ha0 wrote

Replying to NKinCode (#2,488,848)

The world has moved on from Viktor. He was to no real value to us. Maybe some hyped victory over USA propaganda for Putin but that’s it. Man was going to die in prison and is no threat to the USA.

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EsmeSalinger t1_jebieon wrote

31 years old, played soccer for Bowdoin College in Maine- what a ten year trajectory

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spoogicus t1_jebjcou wrote

Could have been worse. He could have fallen out of a window. Those things are tricky.

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NKinCode t1_jebmige wrote

Replying to Ferengi_Earwax (#2,494,994)

Supposedly. If the Russians wanted him back it’s likely for a reason. You can’t possibly trust that the US media would tell us the truth, especially when the American prisoner was a black gay female athlete.

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NKinCode t1_jebmyfo wrote

Replying to longleaf4 (#2,495,173)

Lol it’s all unverifiable, though. Do you know how much fake news exists that is supposedly “verified?” Like I said, we could just use the already existing outlets or get our information from another country who isn’t in Russians shit list. There’s many ways around having American reporters there if you care enough.

I’m not talking about trading an additional arms dealer. There would be more dangerous people who have in prison who could be released

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Alarmed-Accident-716 t1_jebop1e wrote

Replying to missingmytowel (#2,492,999)

That has nothing to do with the actual Pens needed to connect to the carts, that in cbd legal countries are sold. It is not like they have the manufacturing over there to make single use pen carts also. What you are saying has nothing to do with what I am saying. I am talking about the electronics, not the oil.

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throwawaywcoz t1_jebqqss wrote

You know, a good way to avoid getting arrested in Russia is to avoid going to Russia. Now the US. government has to deal with this.

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msat16 t1_jec3j2g wrote

What’s are the terms of the trade?

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OsrsTurboDweeb t1_jec7j92 wrote

Replying to missingmytowel (#2,488,063)

Well she’s a poc and a lesbian and you said bigot so don’t try to play that manipulative word twisting shit. Pathetic. Keep the ad hominems coming, you’re doing great and totally not hurting the LGBTQIA+ community by using them like ammunition for people you disagree with

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missingmytowel t1_jeceoac wrote

Replying to Alarmed-Accident-716 (#2,500,760)

Let's count the times in your previous comment that you were talking about the oil (drug) itself and not the cartridge

>Yeah, but she still knowingly brought drugs into a country

>The decision making process that goes into bringing drugs on an airplane is different than buying a cart from an average drug dealer

>As a smoker myself I have anxiety about just a bit of weed in my pocket when I’m going to the airport.

>Let alone having the courage to bring cartridges on the plane.

>or even got the stuff over there

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Five times in that comment you were talking about the product in the cartridge

Only once did you mention the actual pen

It's almost as if you realize you were talking out of your ass because I told you you were talking out of your ass and now you're shifting the goal post. Almost

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missingmytowel t1_jecezjs wrote

Replying to Jorgwalther (#2,494,388)

It means some people feel the need to appear much smarter than they really are in an effort to prove a failed point.

Just amusing to see people use fancy words to get their point across and then you look in their comment history and realize they never speak like that any other time.

Very smarmy

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NKinCode t1_jecgsfi wrote

Replying to BoulderAndBrunch (#2,505,349)

No one knew who this Russian prisoner was before he was in the talks to be released. I’m sure there are more. If there aren’t more, there can be in the future. Also, it’s not ONLY prisoner exchanges that happen. Russians can ask for different trades. When we don’t have to be in Russia for reliable news it makes less sense to put ourselves in the position to HAVE to trade

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missingmytowel t1_jeck8ye wrote

Replying to Jorgwalther (#2,507,430)

When was the last time you seen someone use ad hominem?

I can only think of maybe two or three times I've known somebody to use it ever. This person being one.

When you don't talk like that on a normal basis (like pretty much everyone else) doing so in an argument in an attempt to establish superiority of intelligence through language used is smarmy.

What's worse is they don't do this to appear smarter to the person they are talking to. They do it so they appear smarter to observers and other commentators. Because they know they lost the argument to the person involved so they might as well try and win the crowd.

Smarmy 101

Our former president was the professor of that course.

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Kewenfu t1_jectqqb wrote

The US is in another cold/hot war with Russia. It has to play tit for tat. Arrest Russian journalists and inform the Kremlin that they will be released when Gershkovich is.

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count023 t1_jeddxkm wrote

Replying to NKinCode (#2,488,848)

or america arrests a bunch of Russian journalists instead on accusations of spying, considering their diplomatic staff is basically nothing but spies, probably not too far a leap.

But who are we kidding, Russia places no value on the lives of their own, so Putin wouldn't care...

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Ticoschnit t1_jef3sw8 wrote

Guy is done. He's not a POC or got a social media following. The WH will not give a crap.

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