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domino_mind t1_je4h9ro wrote
you cant ignore international law and expect to keep traveling abroad.
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Electrical-Can-7982 t1_je3j24v wrote
OK so Duterte's drug policy was extremely harsh, but for many of my filipino friends, (that didnt like him) said it was effective to change the rampant drug problem in that country so quickly. also since the drug dealing also supported other crimes and terrorists. It got many to really think twice before even abusing drugs or wanting to try it once...
According to my friends, the philippines had a very bad ice and opioids (suspected imported from China) with gang shootings and OD's daily. When Duterte put his policy in place, there was an up tick in gang violence and police killings, but it tapered off as (he said) many of the gang were killed by the police and military, doing their crackdown. On the lower end many people that were using, admitted themselves into what rehab they could find.
So ya the ICC wants to investage these "killings" as their families wanted answers.. maybe there were a few that got caught in the cross fire or at the wrong place at the wrong time thing.. maybe they were buying or using or both .. or MAYBE they should have never got involved with drugs at all and try to hook others on their product... but at least allow them to investigate.
Im not trying to support or agree about Duterte's policy but you have to admit, he did something to resolve their countries drug problem and it did reduce the problem.. but did it shift the criminals to something else???
Look at Mao, he did the same thing as the communists took over China. only much more extreme. It removed the drug problem, in China, but didnt reduce the Triad mafia.
Cobbertson t1_je3qwrd wrote
Right, because paying elite drug dealers to hunt and kill amateur drug dealers and children is completely functional
The government fearmongered and exaggerated the prevalence and dangers of drugs (including cannabis), sent the police and hitmen to kill mentally ill people and leave their corpses in the street, then patted themselves on the back and said "job well done"
You're really giving these serial killers the benefit of the doubt
siegfred7 t1_je3tkia wrote
Im a local, WTF are you talking about? Paying elite? Even big government assholes that associated with drugs got slaughtered. Exaggerated? Are you a fucking moron? Before him you could barely go around at night or cary any valuables at all without getting jumped, during operation tukhang you could leave your house unlocked and no one would try shit, you could send your kids on trips on their own without worrying, now a kid goes to a nearby park gets raped or killed for absolutely no reason other than an asshole being high.
Fuck you foreigners who have no skin in the game, you don’t know what it’s like to live in fear in your own country.
SuteSnute t1_je44omw wrote
You can do things about your crimes. Just maybe not things that involve (state sponsored) crimes against humanity and society instead. You can lick boots and play devil's advocate all you want. You're still a shit head who turns your gaze away from the damage done because it didn't personally effect you or your family. Sociopathic.
Also lmao at throwing a hissy fit because people who don't live there dare comment:
A) tons of countries have drug problems and related crime. (And tons of people "live in fear in their own country" for other reasons. But that's another discussion) Not just the Philippines. You're a complete imbecile if you think this problem is unique. Some countries come up with actually humane solutions (Portugal). Some come up with insane, disgustingly inhumane solutions (Philippines). Most fall somewhere in between. Your country is not immune to criticism. No country is. Get over it.
B) You're literally posting on a public website made for discourse. If you didn't want people to discuss it and comment on it, maybe you should have kept your shitty, crimes-against-humanity enabling views to yourself.
siegfred7 t1_je4bn3v wrote
Don’t put words in my mouth, obviously im irked and is talking about outside groups actively interfering with our internal affairs, not with the criticisms. What would the cushy members of ICC know of our pains?
What made you think what Portugal did will work for us? These approaches worked for 1st world countries, not for everyone, specially ours since addiction has a lot of factors, culture, behaviors, economy, etc… factors that are incredibly hard to fix in 3rd world countries like ours and will be there for decades, are we supposed to wait? Have you lost a love one to a druggie? I did, more than once.
SuteSnute t1_je79p59 wrote
So being a developing nation means it's ok to commit crimes against humanity? Good point dude. Can't argue that one. Have a good day.
siegfred7 t1_je7ig57 wrote
What I said is, it’s naive to think that what worked for a single country would work for the world.
Can you specify which proven crimes against humanity exactly? With proof of course because you sound very sure.
SuteSnute t1_je807kk wrote
Imagine running defense on this for a government that's throwing a hissy fit because the ICC (you know, the organization that literally investigates human rights comes) wants to investigate them. Lol. Lmao even.
It's always hilarious when intellectually stunted people try to argue on the assumption that everyone else is just as intellectually stunted as they are.
This dumb game you're playing is boring. Convince yourself everything is peachy and your precious government is beyond reproach. Governments would never do wrong or make mistakes right?
What a clown. Lol. We're done. Peace kid.
siegfred7 t1_je82e89 wrote
What a clown, dodging and straw manning instead of fortifying arguments, you are indeed mentally stunted.
You’re right for once, we’re indeed done here.
SprinklesDry4899 t1_je3w7df wrote
You're totally right. Other countries don't have crime.
siegfred7 t1_je3y7j5 wrote
Yeah, because other countries have crimes, so we shouldn’t do anything about our chronic and pathological crimes right?
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SprinklesDry4899 t1_je5axjx wrote
You think every other country just lets crime happen? Get a passport bro. We just don't give cart blanche for summary execution (inb4 but what about US police). Huge difference, lmao. Anyway, I'm glad strong man make little man feel safe.
siegfred7 t1_je5tsr4 wrote
That’s what I thought you fatherless mumbling stumbling moron.
RazorBlade9x t1_je48gbi wrote
You're in r/worldnews, if Western media says something is bad then it is bad. Everything else is propaganda. Also a random redditor knows more about your country than you do because they read 3 articles on NYT or BBC. They also have an expert opinion on every country on Earth.
RianOmega t1_je3s74e wrote
One can’t really say fearmongered because drugs had always been a major issue in the country even before the Duterte administration — just never really reported well on. Unless you’re in a sheltered upper class family, stories of drugs ruining youth lives or gang-related fighting or the occasional murmur about syndicates, are not uncommon in the Philippines.
As you pointed out, some drug dealers have acquired so much wealth and influence over their control that it would be practically impossible to remove the problem in this manner. The former president attempted a very straightforward solution that helped him deal with the problem in the city he was once mayor in, but national politics is obviously very different.
He failed to alleviate the drug problem that way and should definitely be investigated for allowing collateral damage (which is acceptably understandable given that governments should always minimize unlawfully killing its on citizens without due process), but his solution reflected the general perception of anarchy faced by the general public in the Philippines — especially in the less well-off cities in the provinces and even the slums of Manila. His mixture of charisma and his harsh yet (brutally) logical attempt to rid the problem is the reason why despite this, he remains incredibly popular in the country (and probably won another term if the constitution allowed it).
HoplandTek t1_je4errp wrote
They haven't resolved shit. Fact is it's not about "cutting off the head and it dies". It's more about "kill one, two will replace them". There is money and opportunity in the drug trade and anyone who wants that money will take that risk.
Then again, we could probably follow suit, by lining people up in the street and executing them like it's wartime. That will surely solve the issue...
...or criminals will just get smarter at hiding their activities.
Symbolic politics with bloodshed, really.
StThragon t1_je615q0 wrote
> "killings"
Right, because nobody was really killed, correct? Is targeted assassinations more palatable?
> Im not trying to support or agree about Duterte's policy but you have to admit, he did something to resolve their countries drug problem and it did reduce the problem.. but did it shift the criminals to something else??
This just makes me sick to my stomach.
mermormon t1_je3alyd wrote
>MANILA, March 28 (Reuters) - Philippines President Ferdinand Marcos Jr on Tuesday said he would cut off contact with the International Criminal Court (ICC) after it rejected an appeal asking it to stop investigating his predecessor's lethal war on drugs.
>Thousands of Filipinos, mainly low-level dealers and users, were killed by police during Rodrigo Duterte's fierce crackdown on illicit drugs, with many more gunned down in mysterious circumstances.
>The ICC is investigating widespread allegations by human rights groups and victims of systematic executions and cover-ups by police, who say they killed suspects only in self-defence.
>"That ends all our involvement with the ICC .... At this point, we essentially are disengaging from any contact, any communication," Marcos told reporters when asked about the appeal, which was rejected this week.
>"We cannot cooperate with the ICC considering the very serious questions about their jurisdiction and about what we consider to be interference and practically attacks on the sovereignty of the republic."
>The ICC is a court of last resort that can exercise jurisdiction if states are unable or unwilling to investigate crimes. The Philippines has argued its own institutions are capable of prosecuting crimes.
>As international criticism mounted, Duterte unilaterally withdrew the Philippines from the ICC's founding treaty in 2018. The treaty stipulates the ICC can investigate crimes that took place while a country was a member.
>The court in January granted its prosecutor's request to reopen an investigation into the killings, having suspended the probe in November 2021 at Manila's request after it said it was carrying out its own investigations.
>Duterte has repeatedly said he gave no instruction to kill, other than in self-defence. He has said he is willing to go on trial over his drugs war, but only in a Philippine court.
>His daughter, Sara Duterte, is currently vice president and was the running mate of Marcos.