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bytemage t1_jeeeobf wrote
No shit? It was all just the speculation and price gauging of the energy sector? Inconceivable.
xdzgor t1_jeegcq9 wrote
> food, tobacco and alcoholic drinks were 15.4% more expensive in March than a year earlier, compared with a 15% annual rise in February.
But is it really a fall in inflation?
the_than_then_guy t1_jeehiji wrote
It was really nice of the energy sector to simply not raise prices again this year.
TheOzarkWizard t1_jeehx1z wrote
Gee, it's almost like the energy sector was triggering a mass corporate price gouge or something.
Almost worth posting this to r/hmm
EinFahrrad t1_jeek2q8 wrote
Not that you'd notice when you go shopping
Gerrut_batsbak t1_jeelfub wrote
Dutch supermarkets: hold my beer, im gonna raise them prises so hard.
LyingCaterpillar t1_jeetwlb wrote
Yeah I’ll believe it when I see it. I’ve never seen grocery prices drop.
LyingCaterpillar t1_jeetya8 wrote
When cheaper Döner?
font9a t1_jeevity wrote
I wonder how many energy company execs are having trouble paying their grocery bills.
Objective-Sugar1047 t1_jeexw01 wrote
That’s a huge misunderstanding on your part. Inflation means „how fast prices rise”. When inflation falls prices aren’t falling, they are rising slower.
LudereHumanum t1_jeeynkb wrote
LudereHumanum t1_jeeys0c wrote
Long time wait buddy
jimmy17 t1_jeez4du wrote
Yes. Because inflation is a measure of the rate of change of prices.
Bronco-Merkur t1_jef216z wrote
Now swap „inflation“ with „price-shock“.
philologist29 t1_jef5nb2 wrote
So happy for you, dear Europeans.
halee1 t1_jef7zp1 wrote
Yeah, there's almost never a "fall in prices". That's what people want, but never what actually happens, even in the "good times". When it does, it's practically 100% of the time during a recession. As others said, a "fall in inflation" only means a slowdown in the increase.
xdzgor t1_jef93il wrote
In February inflation was 15%. In March it was 15.4%.
Is that a fall then?
Kevonz t1_jef9h0t wrote
yes, if you don't just look at the food inflation like you are.
thomas0088 t1_jefaz2r wrote
Falling inflation does not mean that prices will drop
Vastiny t1_jefdl3o wrote
Swedish supermarkets: watch me bro
LadyLazaev t1_jefeoxy wrote
In inflation rates? Yes. If the prices are 15% higher than the same time the previous year, then that indicates an inflation of about 1.25% per month on average, but the inflation between February and March was only 0.4% which is clearly a drop.
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bbcversus t1_jefiudk wrote
Romanian hypermarkets: hold my pălincă
--Muther-- t1_jefizkh wrote
Not in Sweden...we seem to be royally fucked.
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hobbykitjr t1_jefjccs wrote
the "growing" fell.
its still staying as ..."grown" as it is.
(if that makes sense)
TOOT1808 t1_jefjisj wrote
So the main cost for most people?
Grylf t1_jefk7qo wrote
Call me when greedflation stops. I am looking at you ICA
Kevonz t1_jefl1ki wrote
Yes, the main cost, not all the cost.
ShadowBannedAugustus t1_jefl3ma wrote
Slovak supermarkets: Hold my pálenka!
30% groceries inflation is where it's at.
PlayasBum t1_jefobh9 wrote
If you go 0 to 60 in 3 seconds and then 60 to 70 in 3 seconds, your acceleration has decreased in the last 3 seconds, even though you went faster. It’s the same thing.
Shooppow t1_jefoq5o wrote
Swiss supermarkets take it to a whole new level! I just noticed I’m paying literally double for a bag of Catsan litter vs 6 months ago…
berzemus t1_jefqdja wrote
Dropping prices would be a deflation.. that would be ugly
UnravelledGhoul t1_jefqx2e wrote
Cries in British
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xdzgor t1_jeftk6u wrote
True, it could even have looked like this:
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Feb | $1000 | |
---|---|---|
Mar | $1000 | |
Apr | $1000 | |
May | $1000 | |
Jun | $1000 | |
Jul | $1000 | |
Aug | $1150 | |
Sep | $1150 | |
Oct | $1150 | |
Nov | $1150 | |
Dec | $1150 | |
Jan | $1150 | |
Feb | $1150 | |
Mar | $1154 |
15% increase between July and August, but otherwise mostly 0% monthly increases, and then ~0.35% increase between Feb2023-Mar2023
weird
YoYoMoMa t1_jefuvk5 wrote
The reason certain things are not included in inflation (or are weighted) is because they are often things that vary in price outside of actual inflation, so they do not give a good view of if inflation is actually happening. Food and gas and housing often go in strange directions price wise for many reasons other than inflation.
Inflation is not trying to measure how much people have to spend to live. There are other measures for that.
ArgumentWide7165 t1_jefv1yz wrote
Perfect explanation.
It’s not a deflationary period, just less inflation. We probably won’t see a deflationary period so now is the time to ask for a raise.
JediWizardKnight t1_jefxdsc wrote
Speculation doesn't affect prices in the long run, as you need to buy and sell in order to speculate.
Professional-Web8436 t1_jefxs33 wrote
Main cost? Most of my money is spent on rent. Or retirement. Or gas. Or my car (fuel,repairs,etc.).
Food isn't even my top3.
Thisissocomplicated t1_jefxusj wrote
Which means raises in wages might actually make things more stable and help people which is a good thing. There seems to have been some effort into raising wages in Europe lately
xdzgor t1_jefzh50 wrote
Haha, here's another example which satisfies the supplied percentages and dates. It shows a 15% inflation Feb2022-Feb2023 and a 15.4% inflation Mar2022-Mar2023.
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Feb | $1000 | |
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Mar | $5000 | |
Apr | $5000 | |
May | $5000 | |
Jun | $5000 | |
Jul | $5000 | |
Aug | $5000 | |
Sep | $5000 | |
Oct | $5000 | |
Nov | $5000 | |
Dec | $5000 | |
Jan | $5000 | |
Feb | $1150 | |
Mar | $5770 |
toodog t1_jeg0241 wrote
But not in the uk
xdzgor t1_jeg1pny wrote
Don't quite get the analogy.
For example
Feb 2022 price = $1000
Mar 2022 price = $5000
Feb 2023 price = $1150
Mar 2023 price = $5770
This shows a 15% increase Feb 2022 - Feb 2023
and 15.4% increase Mar 2022 - Mar 2023.
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Do the numbers show a fall in inflation?
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xdzgor t1_jeg4nkk wrote
I guess that sort of thing is very individual. My house payments have not changed at all. Food and natural-gas prices have skyrocketed, and I drive so little that petrol increases hardly affect me.
jyper t1_jeg5oyr wrote
Because it's energy inflation not food or product inflation (although obviously it can also increase the price of food when it costs more to refrigerate the store or transport it to the store). You wouldn't notice it when going shopping you might notice it at the pump or when paying for heating/electricity at the end of the month.
jyper t1_jeg5xkk wrote
Falling prices is deflation which tends to be even worse then significant inflation. What you want is a slowdown in the increase so paychecks catch up and make things more affordable
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PlayasBum t1_jeg8653 wrote
Your numbers are inherently flawed. Not sure if it’s because of you’re lack of understanding or intentional. You cant have 1xxx in February and have 5xxxx in March.
xdzgor t1_jeg99a4 wrote
They're just examples - there were no actual numbers in the article, only dates and percentage increases
PlayasBum t1_jegbcku wrote
In your example you have 500% inflation from F22 - M22. Then 4xx% deflation M22 to F23. Then almost 500% inflation again. Although they technically fit the headline, the narrative won’t be the same, as you likely have currency instability. More accurate numbers would be
Feb 2022 = $100 Mar 2022 = $100 Feb 2023 = $115 Mar 2023 = $115.4
What they’re not showing, is January numbers, which hypothetically could look like
Jan 2022 = $100 Jan 2023 = $110
Adding that, you can see the rate of change YoY being 10%, 15%, 15.4%.
Not sure if that helps you visualize it better.
lobbarr t1_jegbpxo wrote
Why? Everyone says is bad but I never saw an example where it's really bad.
Aurora_Fatalis t1_jegkunz wrote
Norwegian supermarkets: You mean your prices weren't already raised?
Haptoh t1_jegl6h5 wrote
Ever heard of the Great Depression?
Successful-Smell5170 t1_jegpomn wrote
I wish people would stop calling it inflation and call what it really is... Price gouging.
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420trashcan t1_jegtvv6 wrote
But which do you spend more on per month?
Tinusers t1_jegvnj8 wrote
Yup, just today in NL saw a meal I used to buy last year for 3.80eu, now it's almost 7euro. Was just laughing at that price. Almost criminal how they are upping prices still.
M4J0R4 t1_jegvrqr wrote
In Germany supermarket prices raised by more than 23% year to year … its crazy. Energy prices nearly went back to normal but supermarket prices stay this high and keep increasing
Omegatherion t1_jegw70o wrote
My grocery bill says otherwise
SapCPark t1_jegxpvb wrote
Deflation means its more expensive to borrow money so credit tightens, loans are more expensive, and jobs are lost. The 2008 recession saw this
CSI_Tech_Dept t1_jegyojj wrote
Well, there could be a negative inflation which we typically call recession.
Nihilblistic t1_jeh05by wrote
"Falling prices" used to be called "competitive pricing". Funny how things change.
Liraal t1_jeh1ffq wrote
Generally our economy is tuned to expect money remaining in circulation (i.e. being re-invested). Under deflation, said money stays under your bed instead since it appreciates faster than it would if you were to invest, new companies are not created, old ones cannot get loans or funding and everything generally grinds to a halt. An economy structured around stable performance probably wouldn't struggle that much with this, but that is not the economy we have.
autotldr t1_jeeedgn wrote
This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 68%. (I'm a bot)
> The eurozone's annual inflation rate fell sharply in March as plunging energy prices eased pressure on the cost of living across the 20 countries that use the single currency.
> As a result, annual energy inflation dropped from 13.7% to -0.9%. In contrast to falling gas prices, the cost of food continued to rise for eurozone consumers.
> Inflation data for the UK for March has not yet been published but figures for February showed headline inflation rising from 10.1% to 10.4%, while core inflation rose from 5.8% to 6.2%. Diego Iscaro, the head of European economics at S&P Global Market Intelligence, said: "We estimate that core inflation is close to its peak, and the pressure from food prices is also likely to ease during the second quarter.
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