Test19s t1_jdv6r99 wrote
People being able to live where they want should generally be a right with exceptions (criminal record, endangered native language, high levels of religious extremism). Hopefully this works and Germany is able to clean up its bureaucracy and open its housing and supply chains.
VoidAndOcean t1_jdwlbzn wrote
What do you do with people that don't share your values or culture moving to where you are and then voting?
We all agree that genetically people everywhere are the same. You have then culture which is the differentiating factor between the good places to live and the bad places. If people are allowed to move from the bad places to the good places then change the good places to be like the bad places what have you accomplished?
Test19s t1_jdwn9u0 wrote
Many of the problems with bad places are due to institutional corruption that’s decades or even centuries old, natural resources (either shortages of them or curses due to fighting over oil and diamonds), or overcrowding. A lot of those problems won’t follow the migrants.
VoidAndOcean t1_jdwo3yp wrote
Institutional corruption is nothing more than people tolerating and participating in corruption on an individual basis. Its a cultural issue.
Test19s t1_jdwoj3g wrote
But in many cases it is one that comes from existing power structures and would likely be disrupted by mass emigration. Brain drain has a way of forcing reforms, as can be seen in most Eastern EU members as well as some of the more developed Asian countries.
And I’m glad you are willing to shoot down the argument of genetic impact on culture. That would be unthinkably bad on a finite planet.
VoidAndOcean t1_jdwppk1 wrote
I'm met reallly smart people that have horrible beliefs based on where they grew up.
Homophobia for starters.
I agree with you that existing power structures enforce cultural norms but that doesnt take away from it.
Eitherway, we will find out soon what will happen.
Test19s t1_jdwpxc2 wrote
But in a mixed society you wouldn’t get homophobic echo chambers. Native Indians Hindus and Thais and Chinese don’t have religious homophobia. Still there better not be a genetic component to culture. That would be full 1930s.
VoidAndOcean t1_jdwrzzc wrote
You know how cities have chinatown, or little italy, or just a general district where people from a common background will live together?
The mafia in america is still around a hundred years later. Bad stuff survives. Its just a thing.
Megawoopi t1_jdx9scx wrote
If it only were Native Indians, Hindus, Thais and Chinese people. It's mostly people from muslim countries and the statistics are quite clear on what a big proportion of them think of our way of living.
Test19s t1_jdxag4m wrote
In Europe, and only because asylum seekers outnumber labour migrants. That’s a geographic balancing problem, not a problem of mass migration per se. And I acknowledge religious extremism as an exceptional circumstance, at least until the Near East gets out of its Thirty Years War phase.
Megawoopi t1_jdxaycz wrote
We have those problems with the (descendants of) labour migrants too, although of course I get that they're here on another motivation.
turbo-unicorn t1_jdxrei5 wrote
You absolutely do get echo chambers, as many cultures naturally create enclaves. If you think homophobia is not a thing in Indian or Chinese communities.. ohhhh boy, you should talk to some LGBT Indians or Chinese...
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