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No-Reach-9173 t1_jdu38f5 wrote
Reply to comment by just-cuz-i in Banksy's migrant rescue ship seized by Italy's coast guard in Lampedusa by Crimbobimbobippitybo
I will always fail to see why people shouldn't be able to leave their shit home countries if they so choose.
Successful_Prior_267 t1_jdu6iv8 wrote
Countries have the right to decide who enters their borders. Just because your country sucks doesn’t mean that you can go wherever you want without regard for the law.
green_flash t1_jduer6v wrote
Countries that signed and ratified the UN refugee convention allow anyone to enter their country by any means whatsoever to claim political asylum. That's the whole point of the convention.
Successful_Prior_267 t1_jduf5hw wrote
The convention has no enforcement mechanism.
green_flash t1_jdufpvg wrote
Ratifying a convention means putting it into national law. The enforcement mechanism is Italy's legal system.
Nek0maniac t1_jdu48q9 wrote
They should be able to. But by legal means, not via illegal sea vessels that smuggle them into the country
No-Reach-9173 t1_jdu4uq7 wrote
They get smuggled into the country because there isn't legal means.
Nek0maniac t1_jdu57ld wrote
Dunno about that chief. I'm an immigrant in Germany and I got here through legal means. It certainly isn't easy, but it is possible.
Also, according to your logic it would be fine for me to steal a car, because I have no legal means to get it otherwise
No-Reach-9173 t1_jdubvqi wrote
A person would need approximately 9000+ euros to immigrate to Germany as I am sure you are aware. Roughly 6 billion people on earth will never have that much and many of the poorest would never earn that much in their lifetime. Thus they have no legal means to immigrate.
Falk_csgo t1_jdue3po wrote
Then those people have nothing to do in germany anyways other than enjoying taxpayer money. Its not like life here is free and if you cant get that money you probably wont sustain you own life there.
What do you think germany would look like with 6 billion people that never have 9000€ in their life and 80 million tax payers?
wangaroo123 t1_jduec4o wrote
Nope. A car is not necessary for your survival. Leaving their homes to cross a sea in a dingy is something people do as a last resort
Nek0maniac t1_jduf6fy wrote
The car was just an example. Stealing food because I can't afford it or breaking into someones house because I can't get my own place isn't okay either.
wangaroo123 t1_jdugc4y wrote
If you couldn’t get food by legal means you would rather starve to death than steal?
Nek0maniac t1_jdumxpz wrote
I probably would, it wouldn't make it okay though. We need laws in a society to keep it civilised and everyone has to follow them, regardless of circumstance.
green_flash t1_jduolt6 wrote
We have asylum laws that guarantee the right to apply for asylum as an inalienable human right to every person on German soil, regardless how they arrived in the country. Italy has such a law as well.
wangaroo123 t1_jdwex0a wrote
So you’re saying you would steal but you still think the highest moral ground in this situation is someone just accepting they can’t get food at the moment and starving?
IMO someone stealing isn’t great but it’s way better than someone dying, especially if it’s from starvation, a problem we could solve pretty easily if we wanted.
The bigger issue here is that someone needs to steal to not die. We should be condemning the cause of these issues much harsher than the symptoms.
KA-ME-HA-ME- t1_jdu8hhv wrote
By your logic slaves should never attempt to be free because it's theft. After all they legally belong to "Masa" don't they?
Oh I'm sorry I thought we were taking bad faith arguments to their illogical extreme
irk5nil t1_jdu78hp wrote
You have to ask those home countries to allow that, though.
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