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--Gungnir-- t1_iubu9xl wrote

So... A typical Saturday Night in Somalia..???

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laineDdednaHdeR t1_iubuio3 wrote

Possibly, but it shouldn't be normal for anyone.

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[deleted] t1_iubuy66 wrote

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laineDdednaHdeR t1_iubvcbn wrote

Their government is extremely corrupt. It would take a massive overhaul by the people to change it. Like the women of Iran are doing right now, but by a tenfold. It's not that easy to just tell the people to not do it.

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--Gungnir-- t1_iubvrlk wrote

QUESTION: Who's responsibility is that Overhaul..???

ANSWER: Somalis.

Somalis are their own worst enemy, if they cannot become peaceful, successful and enlightened, as a nation of people.

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CheMGeo_136 t1_iuby7g1 wrote

Just imagine being born in Somalia and getting, like, raped in your preteens or being brutally mutilated by gangs and there's a redditor somewhere on this planet thinking that it's your fault just because you were born in Somalia instead of US or Canada.

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[deleted] t1_iubyicm wrote

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CheMGeo_136 t1_iubzuzq wrote

It seems like you don't fully know how authoritarian regimes work and how state of constant war affects society. You do understand that you're basically mocking other people for being born into dictatorship and poverty? Like, you've actually done nothing to establish current regime of your country. Your ancestors did this, not you. You are but a random combination of two gametes born on a right soil with comfortable political and economic conditions. And it all also can change in the future because I'll be damned if you don't know how often it changed in the past. Were people born in USSR and repressed by soviet regime deserving of their punishment? Is it okay if people were executed by Maoist soldiers because these people were born in communist China and therefore it was their choice? Like, they could've been born anywhere else, but they've decided to be born in communist China. Was it also an obligation for Jewish people to better themselves during Hitler's reign?

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--Gungnir-- t1_iuc0mss wrote

>It seems like you don't fully know how authoritarian regimes work

Since my family helped kick an authoritarian regime, excuse me, an EMPIRE off of their territory and create a NEW form of Government, I would say I do have a little understanding.

Don't start with semantics, it's nobody's fault but the Somalis for how they have ended up and it's THEIR RESPONSIBILITY to change that. No other nation is obligated to do so.

Done and Done.

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CheMGeo_136 t1_iuc1oij wrote

So it's again all about "my ancestors did X" despite you having no relation to their deeds whatsoever, just being lucky to win the right genetic combination. And I assume all my previous questions are answered in the same tone – all these people were deserving of their deaths and genocide because they "refused to better themselves". Good day, Sir.

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Brave_Reaction t1_iuc9akg wrote

Also it’s hilarious when Americans think they invented democracy.

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ishdx t1_iuc3rj3 wrote

I love when people say things like that on Reddit because they have no idea

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thefourthone t1_iud0pdq wrote

You seem like a really nice person

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--Gungnir-- t1_iudx8qm wrote

Common sense and reality.. Somalia is Somalia's responsibility.

NO other nation is obligated to do anything for them.

FACT

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laineDdednaHdeR t1_iudzab8 wrote

Yeah, that's why the UN and NATO exist. So that there's no obligation to between nations to help one another. You know what, you're right. Fuck Ukraine from now on. They should handle their own business without the help of other nations' weapons and munitions.

You are asking for poverty stricken people to fight literal pirates that are paid off by their own government. Totalitarian regimes are not just toppled over so easily.

You have no idea how this works.

You are a child.

FACT

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--Gungnir-- t1_iue06fa wrote

Somalia is Somalia's responsibility.

Perhaps with all of your "BIG TALK", you would care to go there and fix their nation.

Oh wait, you're just going to sit at your keyboard and type responses that are misguided and ill informed.

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laineDdednaHdeR t1_iue18qy wrote

Oversimplification. You are asking me, one person to travel to a hostile country, and essentially commit suicide in hopes of a revolution. I never said it wasn't up to the Somali people. What I did say was that it is not so easy for their people to just overthrow the regime.

But continue your big talk about you benefiting from your ancestors who actually did do something with themselves.

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--Gungnir-- t1_iue2okl wrote

No it's not... You're either willing to go "FIX" Somalia or you're not.
You're gonna talk a big game but you're not willing to play.

ALSO, the U.N. has already been there, the Somalis didn't want the U.S. or the U.N. there..

It's the responsibility of the Somalis to better themselves, I nor anyone else is obligated to care, not one little bit.

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autotldr t1_iubp4wh wrote

This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 85%. (I'm a bot)

> The attack in Mogadishu occurred on a day when the president, prime minister and other senior officials were meeting to discuss expanded efforts to combat violent extremism, especially by the al Qaeda-affiliated al-Shabab group that often targets the capital.

> The Somali Journalists Syndicate, citing colleagues and police, said one journalist was killed and two others wounded by the second blast while rushing to the scene of the first.

> The attack occurred at Zobe junction, which was the scene of a huge al-Shabab truck bombing in 2017 that killed more than 500 people.

Extended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: blast^#1 attack^#2 al-Shabab^#3 president^#4 killed^#5

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EBZ1722 t1_iubxfbc wrote

I wonder how long before they say more western boys need to go and die trying to fix someone else's broken society.

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lord_pizzabird t1_iubz3yv wrote

Not happening. The US did this already in Somalia in the 1990s and it ended catastrophically.

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EBZ1722 t1_iubzfyr wrote

As it always does. Places like this aren't worth the life of even one NATO soldier.

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Shaxshaxshaxshax t1_iuc7q5f wrote

Seems like the CIA and US military doesn't agree with you considering they're the ones who started this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somali_Civil_War

>In the summer of 2006, the ICU would expel an alliance of Somali warlords funded by the American Central Intelligence Agency and became the first organization to consolidate control over all of Mogadishu since the collapse of the state in 1991.[5] The six month period that followed is commonly heralded as the most stable and productive era Somalia had seen since the outbreak of the civil war up to that point.[2][6] Residents of Mogadishu were finally able to move around the city without fear of attack, the international airport and seaport would be opened for the first time in over a decade, a massive rubbish clean up campaign was started and there was a significant reduction of arms on the streets.[7][4][8]

>The reign of the Islamic Courts Union would be ended during the final days of 2006 by a U.S. backed Ethiopian invasion.[9][10][11][12]

And now here we are, still fighting the remenants of the ICU. Nato seems to think it's worth it to dug it out because they haven't lost too many. In time the US will lose some and they will either get bored and leave or get scared like in Afghanistan and leave.

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EBZ1722 t1_iuc8tdm wrote

I don't control the CIA or the actions of national governments, I'm just a guy. In my humble opinion places like this are not worth losing even one of our soldiers. They will be fighting and murdering each other until the end of time over tribal and ethno-religious disputes.

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Shaxshaxshaxshax t1_iuc99eh wrote

>They will be fighting and murdering each other until the end of time over

This is not true considering your goverment and military invaded and attacked these people after they choose their leaders

Read again what I wrote.

>In the summer of 2006, the ICU would expel an alliance of Somali warlords funded by the American Central Intelligence Agency and became the first organization to consolidate control over all of Mogadishu since the collapse of the state in 1991.[5] The six month period that followed is commonly heralded as the most stable and productive era Somalia had seen since the outbreak of the civil war up to that point.

This stopped because of the US

>The reign of the Islamic Courts Union would be ended during the final days of 2006 by a U.S. backed Ethiopian invasion.

The first civil war was over 1997. Between 97 and 06 the ICU were in charge. The US decided to attack them. These people had no choice the matter.

It's seems like I'm talking to a wall.

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EBZ1722 t1_iuca1th wrote

Ah yeah if only they kept Islamic fundamentalism I'm sure things would be peachy. Their country is barely even a country, there are enormous tribal/clan tensions in Somalia that predate any western intervention. I couldn't care less if it's warlords running the country or Al Shabaab, it's none of our business.

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Shaxshaxshaxshax t1_iucbbk8 wrote

>Ah yeah if only they kept Islamic fundamentalism I'm sure things would be peachy.

From what we have seen it was. That goverment was much more stable and stronger than the current american puppet goverment (TFG) And those weren't fundamentalist at all. Muslims can't form their own goverments without being attacked and invaded in their own country.

Anyway most of the ICU would later join the american made TFG https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transitional_Federal_Government_of_Somalia

The only reason the US invaded is because the ICU deported the CIA backed warlords.

>I couldn't care less if it's warlords running the country or Al Shabaab, it's none of our business.

I mean the Al Shabab formed because most of the leadership in the ICU died or joined the puppet gov. Only a handfull of dudes in AS came from the ICU. And they died in 07. To confuse AS and ICU is being ignorant for the sake propaganda and continuing a fight the CIA started. The CIA themselves still don't know if ICU have any links to Al Qaida. Which leads me to believe that it was bs from the start because their groomed warlords got deported and they needed a justification to invade.

Anyway you will believe what you want. But now atleast you can't claim ignorance. Somalia doesn't need american/nato intervention. It was the americans who came back to Somalia. Not the other way.

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EBZ1722 t1_iucc011 wrote

At least we can both agree that western boots should never be setting foot in Somalia.

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kindnesshasnocost t1_iucekyi wrote

Reading your comment history is wild my man.

You are a fascinating creature!

You also ignored every salient point made to you in this comment chain.

I am definitely saving your profile. Can't wait to see what your mind comes up with next!

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EBZ1722 t1_iucf82s wrote

Cool story 👍🏽

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[deleted] t1_iud0g7f wrote

Borders aren’t walls and ideologies and governments that are ignored will cause problems for us later down the line. Issues in Somalia spill out to their neighbours and somewhere along the way western interests are directly threatened

Geopolitics 101

It’s not about who’s ‘worth saving’ but frankly under the same economic and political circumstances I’m sure American would act even worse

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WikiSummarizerBot t1_iuc7r75 wrote

Somali Civil War

>The Somali Civil War (Somali: Dagaalkii Sokeeye ee Soomaaliya; Arabic: الحرب الأهلية الصومالية al-ḥarb al-’ahliyya aṣ-ṣūmāliyya) is an ongoing civil war that is taking place in Somalia. It grew out of resistance to the military junta which was led by Siad Barre during the 1980s. From 1988 to 1990, the Somali Armed Forces began engaging in combat against various armed rebel groups, including the Somali Salvation Democratic Front in the northeast, the Somali National Movement in the northwest, and the United Somali Congress in the south. The clan-based armed opposition groups overthrew the Barre government in 1991.

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Moonshotcup t1_iuc2sxd wrote

Black Hawk Down was a cool movie though. Lotta actors before they became famous

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lord_pizzabird t1_iuc3qom wrote

True. That did kind of make it worth all the human suffering and permanent destabilization of the region.

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nuapadprik t1_iuc9fxc wrote

The UN mission in Somalia resulted in the permanent destabilization of the region?

I regret that I have only one downvote to give you.

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lord_pizzabird t1_iucabvk wrote

I'm guessing you don't know a lot about the Horn of Africa?

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--Gungnir-- t1_iudxief wrote

The KD ratio for the Somalis was FAR into the negative..

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North-Help1499 t1_iucfiwn wrote

The delusions of our species are never-ending.

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