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29PiecesOfSilver OP t1_iuiyym9 wrote
Putin: Afghans… I need more Afghans!
Christopher Walken: 🤦♂️
29PiecesOfSilver OP t1_iuiz135 wrote
Putin: Guess what? I got a fever, and the only prescription is more Afghans.
Christopher Walken: 🤦♂️
fartsoccermd t1_iujqn4e wrote
I don’t like hardwood floors, the only solution is more Afghans.
nolok t1_iujokou wrote
I know you're joking but it's much worse/sad/horrible/hilarious than that: those are probably some of the most highly qualified troops they can get their hands on at the moment.
Not that their good, but everyone else they can get sucks: they suicided their "elite" units on stupid things, their army even in normal times is mostly conscript and they've gone through a lot of them and their mobilisation is pretty much untrained unwilling randoms with no training.
Their experienced wagner troops are either already dead on stupid pride attacks or hidding in africa killing civilians in burkina faso/mali/..., they're starting to run out of "gun capable" people in prison and are now just getting random prisonners.
Every single one of their ally refused to send any troop help even belarus is staying the fuck out of that one in terms of soldiers, Syria cannot help even if it wanted to, Iran merely sent a few drones and already got more than it bargained for and then there is their own shitshow going on, all the -stan they asked for told them to fuck off even the kazaks, and even if they wanted to north korea is not sending waves of their guys in an european country that accepts surrender ...
So yeah those US trained afghan, acting are pure mercenary without at least the nationalism of wagner fodder, are probably the elite of the possible recruits they can get on the field at the moment. In fact I wouldn't be THAT surprised if they tried to get some african troops from those french-speaking countries where they sponsored coups the last year.
LoneRonin t1_iuk8zue wrote
Sounds like they're trying to make their own version of a 'foreign legion' and this is what they're reduced to after no one volunteered and Iran, China, North Korea and all the Central Asian Republics told them to buzz off. They might get at most 200-500? That wouldn't be enough to make a big difference, unless they were used to train conscripts over a long period, which Russia is unlikely to do.
Russia just keeps trying to do a crappy imitation of what Ukraine is doing successfully, except they have no understanding or experience in doing it right, the people they hire aren't motivated or competent and they end up screwing up.
That being said, sounds like the US really screwed the commandos over, why can't the US take them in when they put their necks out, stayed loyal and fought the Taliban right up to the last minute?
MaximumEffort433 t1_iuihz9r wrote
ROFL, I love it.
Before this Russia was slumming it with North Korea, Iran, Belarus, India, and China, now they're recruiting troops that the United States spent twenty years training... only for them to forget all their training the moment the United States left Afghanistan.
Great call, Russia, this will definitely shore up your very special military operation. Afghan troops riding in Vietnam era tanks armed with World War I era rifles, what a frightening proposition.
WexfordHo t1_iuiixpg wrote
They didn’t forget, they never learned. It was a total cultural and technological mismatch, and it would have taken a few generations to really work.
All Russia is going to get are possible US assets in their ranks and a bunch of guys with no loyalty and a lot of historical loathing for Russians.
notnewtobville t1_iuiq5vu wrote
I was just going to say, "didn't the US train these soldiers* to combat the USSR and now they band together to create it all over again."
*not these soldiers but likely their parents
Jeep-RN t1_iuivjq5 wrote
Shhhh. Ignore this guy. Great plan Russia.
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VakoKocurik t1_iuilciw wrote
These are Afghani Commandos, not Afghani Army. These guys actually fought really well
MaximumEffort433 t1_iuimnk3 wrote
> These guys actually fought really well
Are there enough of those guys to turn the tide of war in Russia's favor? Because from my (admittedly uninformed) perspective, it really looks like Putin is flailing right now.
Adding a dozen well trained shipwrights to your crew isn't going to do much good if the boat is already underwater, y'know?
WexfordHo t1_iuivgc1 wrote
Reminds me of a bit from ‘The Fires of Heaven’ by Robert Jordan.
> "I once saw a man hanging from a cliff. The brink was crumbling under his fingers, and the only thing near enough to grasp was a tuft of grass, a few long blades with roots barely clinging to the rock. The only chance he had of climbing back up on the cliff. So he grabbed it." His abrupt chuckle held no mirth. "He had to know it would pull free."
waverider669 t1_iuix3ln wrote
Why not go fight for Ukraine against Russian scumbags?
NovelExpert4218 t1_iuk1zpq wrote
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>Why not go fight for Ukraine against Russian scumbags?
Because Ukraine isn't offering to pay for safe transport out of afghanistan or wherever these guys currently are, visas for them and their families, and like 100 times more then they currently make. Russia is
VakoKocurik t1_iuj2b5f wrote
Who knows? I'm not on the battlefield to tell you. But if RU is smart enough, they can use them as intelligence sources.
HiImTheNewGuyGuy t1_iuio2et wrote
Those guys know what it means to take up arms against the US and her allies . I don’t think there will be many of them.
TSL4me t1_iuk136m wrote
Anyone who has worked with the Afghan army must be laughing uncontrollably. The afgan troops are only good for fucking boys and taking bribes.
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_baundiesel_ t1_iuishxr wrote
They wouldn't fight for their own land but they'll fight for Russia... their last invader. So weird.
Legitimate-Cow-6859 t1_iujmqjc wrote
I mean Afghanistan is complicated. It’s more of a large set of tribes than a nation state like we think. What is “their land”, really?
Plus the military that we established there was modeled after the US military - an advanced mechanized military that requires financial and logistical support that simply isn’t possible for a nation like Afghanistan. Are you going to stand and die when the air support suddenly stops?
Not to mention all the corruption, some of which was actively supported by the US, as well as a decent amount of anti-US sentiment that was empowered by civilian deaths and people being abducted to gitmo on suspicion of terrorist activity.
_baundiesel_ t1_iujn7fm wrote
Okay. lol
Legitimate-Cow-6859 t1_iujnjye wrote
I’m just saying, the situation is a lot more complicated than “they wouldn’t fight for their land,” which itself is an easy comment to make. Assuming that you’ve never had to fight for your own land, and risk death for an almost certain lost cause
_baundiesel_ t1_iujnnwb wrote
That's fair.
Legitimate-Cow-6859 t1_iujof5x wrote
Check out “no good men among the living”
It’s a really good book written in 2015 that’s part history going back to the invasion by the USSR, part contemporary story involving interviews with a US soldier, an afghan civilian, and a taliban leader. Great insight into the situation
asdfa2342543 t1_iujog7h wrote
Imagine if a country invaded your state, then offered to pay you a good salary to collaborate, which you took to pay your mother’s mortgage, despite the shame. Then they suddenly disappear leaving you with a target on your back, considered a traitor, the pay runs dry. Then the enemy of that country comes abcs offers you money and a chance at revenge.
_baundiesel_ t1_iujouz9 wrote
"suddenly disappear" lol
Dubhs t1_iujnhfc wrote
Wait what do you think we were doing in Afghanistan for the last 20 years?
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PaintingFresh8724 t1_iuj2xws wrote
Test for admission: Can you do a jumping jack?
If the answer is "no"
CONGRATS you are hired!
Andy900 t1_iuiiq61 wrote
Are those the same commandos that got steam rolled by the Taliban in a matter of a week?
stamper2495 t1_iuimph3 wrote
Article is about commandos, not the afghani army
Vaivaim8 t1_iujdwb3 wrote
Crazy how reading comprehension and memory works on reddit.
WexfordHo t1_iuijvud wrote
They didn’t really get steamrolled, they just dropped their uniforms and ran. Once the US was out, why would they still play the US’ game? The day the US left, everything just reverted to the tribal and family loyalties that always really mattered in Afghanistan.
MoffJerjerrod t1_iuil1x2 wrote
Russia is recruiting ghost soldiers.
bluhat55 t1_iuimgsc wrote
What they should do is put them in charge of training new cadres.
What they will do is send them to the front lines to be chewed up with the convicts.
xsv_compulsive t1_iuit9ba wrote
> commandos
Mercenaries*
hibernating-hobo t1_iujdx2f wrote
Still wont be able to feed them or resupply them, they will die as easy as the rest, if they don’t follow their legacy and run away at the first sign of trouble.
some-guy_00 t1_iuiji5v wrote
Lmao. Do they think that'll matter? These guys didn't do too well against the taliban.
HotpieTargaryen t1_iuipymy wrote
I don’t believe the fault lay with the troops on the ground there.
Legitimate-Cow-6859 t1_iujmuak wrote
Yeah people who keep saying that don’t understand the deep flaws with the US mission in Afghanistan
HotpieTargaryen t1_iujngoa wrote
Afghanistan was going to be a nightmare to withdraw from regardless, but Trump’s surrender killed so many troops and allies that the legacy of Afghanistan will be devastating.
Legitimate-Cow-6859 t1_iujnx4t wrote
That’s certainly part of it, but I don’t see a way out that was any less messy. It’s either we prolong the occupation with no real end goal or we cut out of there. Unfortunately the real losers in each situation were the people of Afghanistan who’ve now seen 30+ years of war and instability
HotpieTargaryen t1_iujohj8 wrote
Nah, but a much slower, controlled drawdown without an artificial and impossible timeline would have been much safer.
walter1950 t1_iuiwbhr wrote
How desperate Putin must be, puts a new perspective on how good their military is and it looks poor.
-----shreddit----- t1_iujcojj wrote
So if the russians are using afghan troops, why can't ukraine use US or UK troops?
The same goes for belarus, if they join the war, can't any other country help ukraine with soldiers?
waisonline99 t1_iujpy20 wrote
Why would afgan commandos want to die in Ukraine?
Sounds like BS to me.
BigSwedenMan t1_iuk203l wrote
Money. Afghanistan is poor as shit and the Taliban fucked any chance of them having a functioning economy. Taliban also rounded up and killed these guys though, so I question where they're living currently
User9871678 t1_iuitg66 wrote
The same guys that dropped their weapons and ran when the taliban came back? Good luck with that.
JulianZ88 t1_iuj7tv6 wrote
Survived the Talibans only to get killed in Ukraine for a handful of roubles.
FourWordComment t1_iujdku9 wrote
I can’t wait for New Years. Happy 1993, everyone!
popcorn0617 t1_iujkarb wrote
Well they wouldn't fight the taliban so I guess they'll die in a different country. Fuck em
LOHare t1_iujr61e wrote
The US trained commandos that buckled and folded before the Taliban speed run? Pretty sure Ukraine forces in the field are in a different league than the Taliban.
LionsLoseAgain t1_iuivf1m wrote
The Commandos would get rolled by the Ukrainian Armed Forces. If the commandos wanted to be on the receiving end of US supplied weapons and tactics then by all means make your way into the meat grinder.
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dizorkmage t1_iujjpq7 wrote
Don't worry the spineless worms will surrender immediately just tell them you're with ISIS
SpinCharm t1_iujt3yt wrote
They don’t get to come back, do they?
Ed_Ironsides t1_iujtc5b wrote
Thread's full of morons who spout off without actually knowing anything about the Afghan commandos...
Mykl68 t1_iuk38wx wrote
Didn't Russia (CCCP Then) spend 1979 to 1989 trying to take over Afghanistan?
Are they not afriend they will remember and kill all the Russian soldiers?
autotldr t1_iuikicz wrote
This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 89%. (I'm a bot)
> Another general, Hibatullah Alizai, the last Afghan army chief before the Taliban took over, said the effort is also being helped by a former Afghan special forces commander who lived in Russia and speaks the language.
> A GOP congressional report in August specifically warned of the danger that the Afghan commandos - trained by U.S. Navy SEALs and Army Green Berets - could end up giving up information about U.S. tactics to the Islamic State group, Iran or Russia - or fight for them.
> ADVERTISEMENT. Former Afghan army chief Alizai said much of the Russian recruiting effort is focused on Tehran and Mashhad, a city near the Afghan border where many have fled.
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Sqrandros t1_iuiroou wrote
The ‘winning the hearts and minds’ part of US foreign policy just does not seem to work. Instead it’s making Cartel soldiers for hire, Wagner should be stocked for the time being.
GuardianWolvenFriend t1_iujmox9 wrote
They surrendered because they were afraid to fight and now they side with further terrorists. What kind of world do they want their children to be born into. How disappointing
Dry-Signal-3755 t1_iuisdhc wrote
And yet theyre just lazy afgans
Papadapalopolous t1_iuihq4a wrote
It makes sense. They’re losing to US trained troops in Ukraine, clearly they need US trained troops to stand a chance.