bevilthompson t1_iughmjg wrote on October 31, 2022 at 3:25 AM

There are people who deny the Holocaust, believe the world is flat, and think some 2000 year old dead guy is going to show up and solve their problems. The real question is what do we do about misinformation that fuels this bullshit. I completely advocate freedom of speech but when you promote lies and people are hurt because of your speech there needs to be repercussions.

pantie_fa t1_iugn1rk wrote on October 31, 2022 at 4:19 AM

> The real question is what do we do about misinformation that fuels this bullshit

It runs very very deep. I don't think that it should necessarily be an infringement on "free speech" to draw a line and say that we do not tolerate intolerance.

>when you promote lies and people are hurt because of your speech there needs to be repercussions.

absolutely. Human civilization is coming apart at the seams due to the failure of leadership to take hold and do something about this; on behalf of the will of the governed.

Vimda t1_iugq83i wrote on October 31, 2022 at 4:56 AM

> when you promote lies and people are hurt because of your speech there needs to be repercussions.

The difficulty there is proving the link between someones speech, and the actions. If there's a bunch of outlets spewing the same stuff, how do you know which one actually caused it. That's why we're getting all the stochastic terrorism at the moment - all the bullshit stores can hide behind "well actually it was those other guys"

Nopes_alot_ t1_iuhvwdl wrote on October 31, 2022 at 1:39 PM

I think cases like this, the burden of proof that you were not responsible for the actions of a person who did as directed on media or told them or said “needed to be done” should be on the person who fucking said it. People/Talking Heads/Politicians in the US calling for murder of Nancy Pelosi, should be on the hook to some extent for the crazy asshole who broke in with a hammer and beat Nancy Pelosi‘s husband in the head with it. If anything were to happen to Trump or Putin, I would be willing to defend my words and could probably prove that whoever perpetrated it, never had the chance to hear it from me, if they did it might be worth it anyway. (my value to the world likely being substantially less than the damage of either of those two). Maybe people should be responsible for what they say?