oksapar t1_iuemqkn wrote
Reply to comment by Namell in Critical period for Nordic NATO bids as Türkiye to host key figures by Zhukov-74
Turkey doesn't have to approve either country's bids. This isn't about Erdogan, the Turkish public doesn't want Sweden approved and Nordic countries' safety is not our concern. Neither is NATO's since NATO doesn't seem to care about Turkey's safety concerns and just likes to bark orders.
If you think this is only about Erdogan, you'll be surprised with his replacements (if we can replace him in the next election). This is the will of the Turkish people and you have to show Turkey and Turkey's security needs respect.
>Can anyone name single terrorist Turkey has demanded from Finland?
No. Can you name any single terrorist from ISIS (without looking up)? Maybe they are given a list and haven't kept their end of the bargain yet. Both countries will show commitment with Turkey on issues like security and terrorism before Turkey will agree to approve because Turkey doesn't actually have to approve neither country.
Namell t1_iueow8d wrote
If Turkey has no plans to approve Finland it should not have lied about it when asked before application to NATO was made. Before application Turkey promised to approve Finland and after application was made Turkey betrayed the promise. After that Turkey has several times promised to approve Finland and every single time betrayed promise. Turkey's word and promises are worthless.
Can you find name of single terrorist that Turkey has demanded from Finland? I don't expect you to know them without searching. I just expect that if issue was real someone would be able to find name of single terrorist that was demanded.
oksapar t1_iuepw1q wrote
> Can you find name of single terrorist that Turkey has demanded from Finland? I don't expect you to know them without searching.
Why should I know names of terrorists that Turkey wants extradited from Sweden and Finland? They're probably not so high profile. How do you know your government isn't the one lying? How do you know Turkey didn't give them a list of names and are still waiting for Finland to keep its end of the bargain.
All we know is Erdogan spoke positive about Finland's application but not positive about Sweden's.
Namell t1_iuertb6 wrote
What bargain? I know of two bargains.
Before NATO application was made Finland asked Turkey if they would approve Finland to NATO and if they had any demands. Turkey told that they have no demands and that they would approve Finland. Turkey broke that bargain.
Then there is trilateral memorandum which states following about extradictions:
>Finland and Sweden will address Turkiye's pending deportation or extradition requests of terror suspects expeditiously and thoroughly, taking into account information, evidence and intelligence provided by Turkiye, and establish necessary bilateral legal frameworks to facilitate extradition and security cooperation with Turkiye, in accordance with the European Convention on Extradition.
Finland has addressed Turkey's deportation or extradition requests. Turkey hasn't provided any lists of terror suspects and evidence.
Why hasn't Turkey approved Finland? Why it is all talk and repeated broken promises?
oksapar t1_iuetaid wrote
How do you know Turkey hasn't provided lists of terror suspects and evidence? They don't have to do this publicly. In fact, they would do it quietly in order to prevent suspects to flee. Justice departments of each country would talk quietly between them.
>Why hasn't Turkey approved Finland?
It hasn't been voted in the parliament. It's election year and Erdogan has a lot of problems, mainly economic. It says Turkey will host key figures to talk with them.
If you read the article, it says:
>In June, Türkiye, Sweden and Finland struck a deal that included provisions on extraditions and sharing of information.
That was back in June. Maybe they haven't done it yet..
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