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infinitejestinfinite t1_iuj82k3 wrote

One of his sons just conceded on Twitter. That's a good sign.

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godsenfrik t1_iujdi0b wrote

It's not an unambiguous concession. It's all very reminiscent of the days after the 2000 US Presidential election.

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lolzacksnyderfans t1_iujkrsk wrote

Oh right, the election where SCOTUS stepped in and gave the win to Bush despite Gore having more votes, leading to the decline of the country we are still seeing today.

Hopefully the same thing doesn't happen in Brazil.

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godsenfrik t1_iujpk15 wrote

Shit, I meant 2020, it was a typo, but it's always good to remember what happened after 2000 too.

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AntSure t1_iuk6ijy wrote

2000 makes more sense than 2020. 2020 Trump was crying rigged election months before voting began and was on an all out legal and illegal spree trying to find some method of staying in power immediately after the race was called.

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piclemaniscool t1_iujot5l wrote

That's not what happened. Gore won the popular vote but Bush won the electoral college. Most people agree its a dumb system in this day and age, but it's disingenuous to leave out that everything was done per procedure.

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Jestdrum t1_iujpmrd wrote

But the Supreme Court stopped the recount in Florida, which likely could've given Gore the electoral vote too.

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drmcsinister t1_iujumc8 wrote

That's not totally true either:

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/sns-ballots-story.html

Depends on how the ballots would have been counted.

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Glioneuronal t1_iujxxp4 wrote

Yes, if Bush’s brother wasn’t destroying votes in black districts arbitrarily it would have been over quickly.

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Philypnodon t1_iuk87rr wrote

While only a few ppl know for certain, this seems the most likely scenario. 2000 was a clusterfuck. Just imagine what the world would look like if Gore had actually become president... While I can't actually know, I assume we'd be in a much, much better place than now. So yeah, fuck Jeb. Stupid Mofo

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offensiveusernamemom t1_iukanhx wrote

Gore, good chance they would have stopped 9/11, McCain in 04/08, Obama 12/16. Bush's wars screwed a lot of things up for this country, arguably he was worse then Trump, but we get rid of Trump in this timeline too.

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AntSure t1_iuk7dyl wrote

>everything was done per procedure

Was it? Had they counted the votes quickly and accurately Al Gore would have won under the electoral college.

It was a 5-4 Federal Supreme Court ruling where they forced Florida to stop it's recount which defied Florida's own laws and Florida's own Supreme Court ruling. The whole thing was unprecedented. Had the recount been allowed to continue as was Florida's law then Al Gore would have become the President under the Electoral College. Only because SCOTUS stopped the recount did he lose.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_v._Gore

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/jan/29/uselections2000.usa

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Ineverus t1_iujpop6 wrote

It's also disingenuous to leave out the absolutely sketchy actions of the republicans leading up to and during the Florida recount, including confusing ballots being printed, intimidation of recount workers by "protestors" flown in by the RNC, and the whole thing being overseen by a republican florida state secretary (in a state governed by Jeb Bush).

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Vkusno-Nutty t1_iujx83p wrote

Yes, lots of sketchy actions, but the bad ballot design that caused Gore to lose the presidency was the result of a Democrat's decision. Theresa LePore's incompetence changed the course of history.

https://www.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLITICS/03/11/palmbeach.recount/

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WaxednVaxed t1_iuk5d4m wrote

Ah yes a single person caused all of this, not the massively corrupt political organization that has directly reaped the rewards, who BTW are currently obstructing investigations into their own attempted coup of the government. Glad we have an article to absolve the entire GOP of guilt.

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Vkusno-Nutty t1_iuk9i9h wrote

That one person did make a very consequential decision. No one said that decision caused everything that's ever happened since, lol. Your straw man is ridiculous.

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Rapha31 t1_iujca12 wrote

Wait what? Really?

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infinitejestinfinite t1_iujcouo wrote

https://twitter.com/FlavioBolsonaro/status/1587154720094932996

Yes. Here is the tweet. He is also a senator and campaign manager for Jair Bolsonaro.

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Dependent_Yesterday9 t1_iujdw2n wrote

>Thank you to everyone who helped us rescue patriotism, who prayed, prayed, took to the streets, gave their sweat for the country that is working and gave Bolsonaro the biggest vote of his life! Let's raise our heads and let's not give up on our Brazil! God in charge!

That does not exactly read as a concession of any kind.

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infinitejestinfinite t1_iujefro wrote

Maybe it's lost in translation, but the message in Portuguese has the tone of concession. The "Let's raise our heads" part usually means you have been defeated here in Brazil. So with that context, while I agree it is still ambiguous, it is still interpreted by us as a concession.

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Dependent_Yesterday9 t1_iujepey wrote

Ah, well thank you for the syntax help much appreciated. Well for everyone in Brazil I hope that is true and wish you the best.

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0scar_alh0 t1_iujpd67 wrote

I just read it in Portuguese and it has the same ambiguous tone. "Let's not give up" can both be interpreted as "we won't accept these results" and "we accept these results but we'll continue fighting for our vision"

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asj3004 t1_iujnocu wrote

Yeah, but no. It is very ambiguous. "Let's not give up on our Brazil!" may mean simply "let's not give up".

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infinitejestinfinite t1_iujopg4 wrote

Pretty much all of Bolsonaro's allies have issued statements accepting the results. This statement by Flavio is more ambiguous, but given that most people from both sides have accepted the results, I still interpret it as a statement meaning "thanks, we tried, let's move on".

I could be wrong, but all signs are pointing to the results being accepted.

There's a chance these truck protests can grow and then a lot of the politicians go back on their statements. But I think that is unlikely at this time.

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infinitejestinfinite t1_iujm5u8 wrote

I completely agree. A more clear concession is still needed. Specially since there have been some truck drivers protesting on/blocking highways along the country waiting to hear what Jair Bolsonaro has to say about the results.

But the first member of the family to speak out making this statement (which to me still sound like a concession from his part) is a better sign than if he had been silent or made a statement outright contesting the result.

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submittedanonymously t1_iujkvtb wrote

That very well could be the plan - lower the defenses of those you are against while simultaneously trying to raise spirits for those you support.

Possibly lost-in-translation moment as well, however it’s a little harder when many of the words and the order they are used are unmistakeable in what emotion they want to provoke - here it seems to lead more to the “we fight a holier fight, a harder fight than we had hoped to have rigged for ourselves anticipated.”

Bolsanaro and Co have been talking about unfair elections since he won the last election and called it unfair because he “shoulda won with more votes than that.” This is simply them holding out time until they get their messaging on point and start spreading the lies.

If that’s not the case, I will deep fry a shoe. (I won’t eat it. I just… wanna try it, ya know?)

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tok90235 t1_iujdiuy wrote

Shit, this don't make me feel any better actually

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