infinitejestinfinite t1_iujefro wrote on October 31, 2022 at 7:50 PM

Maybe it's lost in translation, but the message in Portuguese has the tone of concession. The "Let's raise our heads" part usually means you have been defeated here in Brazil. So with that context, while I agree it is still ambiguous, it is still interpreted by us as a concession.

Dependent_Yesterday9 t1_iujepey wrote on October 31, 2022 at 7:52 PM

Ah, well thank you for the syntax help much appreciated. Well for everyone in Brazil I hope that is true and wish you the best.

0scar_alh0 t1_iujpd67 wrote on October 31, 2022 at 9:04 PM

I just read it in Portuguese and it has the same ambiguous tone. "Let's not give up" can both be interpreted as "we won't accept these results" and "we accept these results but we'll continue fighting for our vision"

drmcsinister t1_iujury1 wrote on October 31, 2022 at 9:44 PM

>The "Let's raise our heads" part usually means you have been defeated

So sort of like telling someone "chin up"?

infinitejestinfinite t1_iujv0e5 wrote on October 31, 2022 at 9:45 PM

Yes. Pretty much.

asj3004 t1_iujnocu wrote on October 31, 2022 at 8:53 PM

Yeah, but no. It is very ambiguous. "Let's not give up on our Brazil!" may mean simply "let's not give up".

infinitejestinfinite t1_iujopg4 wrote on October 31, 2022 at 9:00 PM

Pretty much all of Bolsonaro's allies have issued statements accepting the results. This statement by Flavio is more ambiguous, but given that most people from both sides have accepted the results, I still interpret it as a statement meaning "thanks, we tried, let's move on".

I could be wrong, but all signs are pointing to the results being accepted.

There's a chance these truck protests can grow and then a lot of the politicians go back on their statements. But I think that is unlikely at this time.

[deleted] t1_iujkkt3 wrote on October 31, 2022 at 8:31 PM

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infinitejestinfinite t1_iujm5u8 wrote on October 31, 2022 at 8:42 PM

I completely agree. A more clear concession is still needed. Specially since there have been some truck drivers protesting on/blocking highways along the country waiting to hear what Jair Bolsonaro has to say about the results.

But the first member of the family to speak out making this statement (which to me still sound like a concession from his part) is a better sign than if he had been silent or made a statement outright contesting the result.

submittedanonymously t1_iujkvtb wrote on October 31, 2022 at 8:34 PM

That very well could be the plan - lower the defenses of those you are against while simultaneously trying to raise spirits for those you support.

Possibly lost-in-translation moment as well, however it’s a little harder when many of the words and the order they are used are unmistakeable in what emotion they want to provoke - here it seems to lead more to the “we fight a holier fight, a harder fight than we ~~had hoped to have rigged for ourselves~~ anticipated.”

Bolsanaro and Co have been talking about unfair elections since he won the last election and called it unfair because he “shoulda won with more votes than that.” This is simply them holding out time until they get their messaging on point and start spreading the lies.

If that’s not the case, I will deep fry a shoe. (I won’t eat it. I just… wanna try it, ya know?)

Brazil's Bolsonaro maintains silence after Lula's election victory

Rapha31 t1_iujca12 wrote on October 31, 2022 at 7:36 PM

infinitejestinfinite t1_iujcouo wrote on October 31, 2022 at 7:38 PM

Dependent_Yesterday9 t1_iujdw2n wrote on October 31, 2022 at 7:46 PM