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Substantial_Camera_8 OP t1_iuirh8w wrote

Torpedo your own economy? Why?

Sinovac isnt as effective?

Like the level of control?

Can quarantine any company at any time to get back at US?

I just dont get the thought process

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SentientHotdogWater t1_iuj5os2 wrote

Because admitting they were wrong about zero-covid and relying on western mRNA vaccines would cause the Chinese government to lose face.

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DCrichieelias79 t1_iuiscxx wrote

Its allowing a new level of control over their citizens; what they are able to do, where they are able to go. It even allows control over various factions within the CCP: toe the line or else we will lock down your city.

It may or may not be the reason for the zero covid policy, but they are absolutely exploiting it to maximize control.

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ItchyK t1_iuiwjde wrote

This is the answer, it's not about public safety. They have proven time and time again that they don't care about people at all.

It allowed them to go full dystopic authoritarian. No one can start thinking shit if you lock/weld them and their families inside for an indefinite amount of time.

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elcrack0r t1_iuirsbj wrote

What's your thought process? Are you afraid that your Apple product will become more expensive?

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Substantial_Camera_8 OP t1_iuiso3u wrote

They just locked down people inside a Shanghai disneyland

My thought process is that its not functional, either they dont trust their own vaccine or they like the control they have on the citizens

You cant lock down forever

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elcrack0r t1_iuj1lzn wrote

Honey bear can do anything he likes.

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lollysticky t1_iuisu6u wrote

That comment says more about you than OP... And it's a legitimate question to raise: why does China continue this policy that clearly isn't working (as they continue to shut down cities) and also hurts them economically.

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attackofthetominator t1_iuiu623 wrote

Because the Sinovac is not as effective as West's vaccines. Combine that with yet another Covid outbreak and China's healthcare system gets overrun again.

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lollysticky t1_iuiuuw0 wrote

I would imagine China's vaccines have improved by now, no?

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attackofthetominator t1_iuivrot wrote

Apparently not if they're enforcing complete lockdowns of anyplace where there's a remote trace of Covid.

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lollysticky t1_iujpukd wrote

The question is: are the quarantines for that reason, or something else?

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DIBE25 t1_iukbfvd wrote

if you're talking of shitty authoritarian regimes then a logic like theirs works

you quarantine entire cities at a time, push spyware to your citizens and monitor their every move and while you're at it you can keep gathering more information (other than for prosecution and profiling idk for what) and not have to worry about having a working vaccine

or something idk

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[deleted] t1_iuj0w76 wrote

never heard of Mao Zedong? The Chinese gov is not one to state they're wrong.

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lollysticky t1_iujpkyf wrote

You're correct there. But they tend to like economic growth

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elcrack0r t1_iuj2al6 wrote

I'm just asking a question. China is a zero tolerance state. Doesn't matter who is getting hurt. OP is saying, oh noes, a Apple factory in China closed. Who tf cares?

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MalikTheHalfBee t1_iuitcyg wrote

Probably that totalitarianism is bad. But you may disagree.

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elcrack0r t1_iuj1hah wrote

I don't. What are you venting about? If you're doing business with a totalitarian state, you always should expect totalitarian moves.

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theassassintherapist t1_iuis3y4 wrote

You make it sound like trying to prevent thousands from dying in dense cities is a bad thing. Lives are more important than the economy.

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attackofthetominator t1_iuiswn6 wrote

If lives were important to the CCP they would've taken the western vaccines instead of their mediocre off-brand version.

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theassassintherapist t1_iuj071p wrote

Just this week, 2,649 Americans died to covid. Last week, 2,591 died. And that's with the "superior" western vaccine and sparsely packed cities.

Which means even with better vaccines, the death in China could be tens of thousands per week if they were to lax restrictions. How is that even remotely acceptable?

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Wild-Thymes t1_iuj2elk wrote

May I ask among those 2649 US fatalities, what are the percentage of the unvaccinated?

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theassassintherapist t1_iuj3zgd wrote

No, you may not. You're going to have to ask the CDC that.

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Wild-Thymes t1_iuj77gl wrote

From the cdc page you provided , 7.3% of the deaths were people with booster shot. Meaning, 92.7% of the people who lost their lives were those who either did not have access to vaccines or did not take the doses as recommended.

in your previous comment, you said that the US had high fatalities even with western vaccines, which was supposed to be “superior” (your word). This official statistics shows otherwise.

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SentientHotdogWater t1_iuj59u9 wrote

>Lives are more important than the economy.

True, but surely they could just use mRNA vaccines and re-open just like every other country on the planet at this point?...

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theassassintherapist t1_iuj63fc wrote

America is still looking at 2k+ deaths weekly even with mRNA vaccine and sparsely populated cities. Triple the population and pack the cities tighter and the weekly death count suddenly don't seem that acceptable.

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SentientHotdogWater t1_iuj70jb wrote

COVID deaths in the US and the rest of the world are overwhelmingly among the unvaccinated (https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/united-states-rates-of-covid-19-deaths-by-vaccination-status?country=~50%2B).

If the goal was truly to reduce deaths why not import mRNA vaccines in addition to lockdowns? Would that not logically be the best decision if all they care about is keeping the death count down? Why keep out the most effective vaccines?

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MoodApart4755 t1_iuishxc wrote

They’re leaving so they don’t get locked in the factory for an indefinite period by authorities

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[deleted] t1_iuit828 wrote

You've got to have the worst public policy team on planet earth to believe 100% lockdowns and 0% tolerance is going to do anything after looking at the data. Covid is here to stay, and locking people inside does absolutely nothing when you live in a globalized economy with open trade borders.

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Dapper-Award4395 t1_iuj3xgy wrote

Unfortunately the lockdowns just delay the issue. COVID is endemic. It's here to stay.

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Substantial_Camera_8 OP t1_iuisgqq wrote

You cant lock down forever,

its proven that COVID will be with us

How about vaccination their population?

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autotldr t1_iuito3g wrote

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> Videos circulating on Chinese social media platforms showed people who are allegedly Foxconn workers climbing over fences and carrying their belongings down the road. The Foxconn plant in Zhengzhou, Henan province, is one of the largest factories in China that assembles products for Apple Inc., including its latest iPhone 14 devices.

> The workers' exodus comes after reports that Foxconn had placed a number of workers under quarantine following a COVID-19 outbreak in the factory.

> The Foxconn facility in Zhengzhou can accommodate up to 350,000 factory workers, but it is not clear how many are currently employed by the factory.

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